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April 05, 2008

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Varangy

****But perhaps the worst reaction was that of Péter Medgyessy who is, after all, responsible for the whole mess of government overspending and who had to leave office in disgrace after showing himself totally incapable of fulfilling his duties as prime minister. After not hearing a word from him for months, a journalistic invitation was enough for him to appear on television again and vent. He had the gall to say that in his opinion Ferenc Gyurcsány should have resigned after the speech of Balatonőszöd became known! Interestingly enough, right after the speech was made public Medgyessy had a different opinion: he said that it was a good, honest speech. Well, well, Medgyessy can't quite forgive his successor. In any case, this is not the first time that he shows himself to be a small-minded fellow who blames everybody and everything except himself.****

Such enmity for Medgyessy. And such hero-worship of Gyurcsi.

I can't stand the Medgyessy myself, but how can you blame the guy for not being a fan of the man who stabbed him in the back.


Viking

Personally I find Gyurcsány interesting, probably the most interesting Hungarian politician for many years in Hungary. This does not mean I approve of everything he says/does, but I have no problem with a guy who goes his own way. I am not so sure about the media-picture of Gyurcsány being a victim to circumstance, more that he actually creates those circumstances.

Take the famous speech in a small place close to the Balaton lake soon 2 years ago. No one could have believed that the speech itself would be secret forever. It was strange that the speech did not leak out before it did. It was close to 200 people listening to it, so they did not tell for 2 months? Normally they tell everything inside hours.

Viktor Orban, supposedly representing an ideology closer to home for me, scares me on the other hand.

For me the big difference between Gyurcsány, Orban and Medgyessy is that Gyurcsány dares to risk something politically for his ideas (right or wrong). That is why I can be impressed by him. It is rare in today's politics.

Eva S. Balogh

Viking: "It was strange that the speech did not leak out before it did."

I think it leaked out immediately or very soon thereafter. Some commentators believe that Orbán knew about it already in early June. I share this view. The "lying" motive began to appear in Orbán's speeches about this time. He just waited for the opportune moment when he could reap the most benefit from its release.

Hatodik Oszlop

Gyurcsány denied the need for austerity measures in Feb of 2006 prior to the election: http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=7320

And then Gyurcsány announced on June 10, 2006: "Hey, those austerity measures we said wouldn't happen, guess what? Here they come!"

http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=8487

Maybe Orbán just reads the papers...

Varangy

@Eva

So you fault Viki for being opportunistic, but don't fault Gyurcsi for being blatantly dishonest?

Hard to reconcile, for me at least.

kincs

There is good reason to think that the MSZP will get back some of its lost voters now that there is some distance between themselves and the SZDSZ. Many of those disillusioned with the party will blame the SZDSZ for all the unpopular things that the government has done.
Moreover,the end of aggressive reforms will also be good for the party’s poll ratings, (though maybe not for the economy).
The SZDSZ will also benefit from the chance to re-establish their identity. What would probably make the biggest difference there would be the election of Gábor Fodor to replace Kóka. A new identity, a new face, and they could be well on the way to that 5% threshold. In any case, their popularity has nowhere to go but up.

Odin's lost eye

As I understood his speech to the MSZP Gyurcsány said that he had been 'economic with the truth' in the past to keep the party in power BUT that he would NOT repeat NOT do so any more! At least he has become Honorable. I wonder what all the other mentioned above would do?

Eva S. Balogh

Odin's lost eye: "As I understood his speech to the MSZP Gyurcsány said that he had been 'economic with the truth' in the past to keep the party in power BUT that he would NOT repeat NOT do so any more! At least he has become Honorable. I wonder what all the other mentioned above would do?"

What he said exactly was that he hadn't "completely unfold the truth in its entirety," but he added that they themselves hadn't realized the depth of the problem until the very end. No politician will ever unfold the whole truth especially if the truth is not very pleasant. One can't campaign with the promise that "choose us and you will see how horrible it is going to be." In 1998 when Orbán with the help of József Torgyán won the elections, he promised the world. In fact, at that time I wrote a letter to the editor of The New York Times and I said something to the effect that if Orbán fulfills all his promises all the earlier sacrifices after the austerity package of Lajos Bokros were in vain.

Luckily, he didn't fulfill his promises. In fact, when the man who was his choice for minister of finance said that "campaign promises and government policy are two different things," he was immediately dropped by Viktor Orbán.

Viking

Hatodik Oszlop had some quotes from Portfolio.hu, which may contradict themselves, depending what you interpret in the exact words.

On quote that became reality was the promise to do the infamous Balaton-speech:
"In a television interview yesterday, Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsány said if his party is voted back to office next year, he will not form a government unless he wins his party's full support to introduce sweeping reforms straight away, daily Népszabadság reported.

Gyurcsány said he was determined to rectify the mistakes of all previous governments since 1990, who were not brave enough to reform Hungary's healthcare system and public finances. He reiterated that his government was committed to Hungary joining the eurozone in 2010, to which end it will push through a whole series of reforms as soon as it takes office."

The quote "Gyurcsány pledges prompt reforms if reelected" is from 22 Dec 2005, 5 months before the speech. (http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?cCheck=1&k=2&i=6709).

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