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August 22, 2008

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Paul

Informative. but
saying that Hungary's position "is in line with that of the European Union" doesn't mean too much. There are very different position among EU states, from the Baltic and Polish leaders going to Tbilisi to support Georgia to ..well..others that don't want to upset Russia.
You talk about Russia's sphere of influence etc.. How about leaving these independent and sovereign countries to decide who they want to be friends with? If Hungary would want to reduce its dependency on Russian gases then it should consider more seriously the development of alternative energy routes. All around my country, the neighbors (Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary) fell in the "Russian camp".

Julien Frisch

Mátyás Eörsi is reporting for the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (press report: https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=PR591(2008) ) , not for the European Parliament.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "You talk about Russia's sphere of influence etc.. How about leaving these independent and sovereign countries to decide who they want to be friends with?"

Sounds very nice, but let's not be naive. As for alternative energy, at the moment the only reasonable solution is atomic energy and a lot of people don't want that solution.

Eva S. Balogh

Julien Frisch: "Mátyás Eörsi is reporting for the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (press report: https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=PR591(2008) ) , not for the European Parliament."

Thank you, I heard Eörsi in a TV interview and normally the station stores the video for later use but this time they didn't. Therefore I was unable to check his exact status.

Paul

"Sounds very nice, but let's not be naive."

It's not about being naive. It's about not continuously repeating the Russian mantra about their 'near abroad' and 'sphere of influence'. By constructing a discourse in this way you automatically accept that it's OK for the Russians to control and bully their neighbors.
There are other energy routes such as the Nabucco pipeline that Gyurcsány doesn't seem very keen in supporting.
'Hungary chooses Gazprom over EU'
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/12/news/hungary.php
With this kind of policies not wonder that they can't take a clear stand in what regards Russian related issue.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "Informative. but saying that Hungary's position "is in line with that of the European Union" doesn't mean too much."

OK, it would have been better to say that Hungary followes the policy adopted by the majority of the countries in the European Union. Poland and the Baltic states are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "By constructing a discourse in this way you automatically accept that it's OK for the Russians to control and bully their neighbors. There are other energy routes such as the Nabucco pipeline that Gyurcsány doesn't seem very keen in supporting."

No, this is the only realistic way of looking at the situation. A powerful, large country will act this way regardless of what you or I think. As for Gyurcsány and the Nabucco pipeline, if the United States had its doubts about Gyurcsány's attitude, it has changed its mind after Gyurcsány went to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan to do his best to ensure Nabucco's success. I wrote about this a few days ago. For Hungary it is important to have more than one source of energy, but the fact is that Nabucco is still very much up in the air.

Paul

Russia may try and act however it wants. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't get any reactions from the other countries. The construction and repetition of a discourse that sees Russian actions as something normal, even moral (Russia was weak, but now is powerful so it is normal to bully and invade its neighbors)leads to inaction in Europe and to self-defeatism on the longer term. Instead of acting as a block, a as union (as in European Union) each small European country looks and cries about how big and powerful Russia is and about how we can't do anything about it.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "That doesn't mean that it shouldn't get any reactions from the other countries."

It certainly should and receives it too. But not the way Viktor Orbán does it. It leads nowhere. It maybe even harmful.

NWO

Eva-

While not wanting to disagree with the main thrust of your post, I do want to note one interesting domestic side of Orban's actions. Orban specifically criticized Magyar Nemzet for its explicitly anti-U.S. views. As you know, the rightwing in Hungary is sadly, among other things, generally anti-West. In fact, it is hard to find anything this faction is "pro". Orban himself fell too far into the anti-U.S./anti-NATO camp around the time of the 2002 election, and as such the U.S. Ambassador at the time was fairly open in her support of the MSZP.
Now, by all appearances, Orban is trying to reposition himself more in line with mainstream conservatives in more normal parts of Europe. Orban is supportive of the missle deploument proposed for Poland, and for NATO expansion. These may or may not be the correct policies for Hungary. We can leave this for another discussion, but I do think it generally a welcome sign that he is trying to position himself in the Pro-West conservative camp instead of in the far right fringe anti-U.S. camp of Magyar Nemzet, MIEP, KDNP etc.

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