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November 01, 2008

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Kike like you

People should put these things on perspective. Footie has always had their share of hooligans, skinheads and associated troublemakers. Most of these guys show off pretty dumb behaviour and all kind of nationalist, nazi etc crap. But make the difference: They are just guys who want to get drunk and smash something, without much thought for anything more politically coherent. While they can make some nice demonstration/riot pictures and video footage, they are no political force to think of. Jobbik & MÍEP have tried to "harvest" these forces into their fold, but without much success. If you want to get votes, drunk skinheads running rampage on the streets (with your party colours) is not exactly election winning idea.

Odin's lost eye

Mr Kike like you, I would take issue with you. You say *** “They are just guys who want to get drunk and smash something, without much thought for anything more politically coherent.” ***. To my mind there must have been someone with the ability to organize a visit by some 500 odd nurks who may have just been there for a good old fashioned ‘punch up’. If you think about it someone must have known who to contact, how to raise funds, these things cost money. Bus and rail fares, food and above all booze are not cheap. You also say *** “If you want to get votes, drunk skinheads running rampage on the streets (with your party colours) is not exactly election winning idea.” ***. It can be if it deters your political opponents from campaigning at a low (local) level. Such work such as the door-to-door canvas is vitally important to find out where your support lies when it becomes time to ‘get the voters out’. Such use of intimidation has been very successful even in so called ‘civilised’ societies. One town, where I used to lived, one minor party used 9 to 12 year olds in a campaign of breaking the windows houses which displayed posters for one larger parties this turned that party's stronghold into a no vote area. Canvassers were also given a rough time by slightly older thugletts.

Viking

There are organised fan-trips and they were used on this occasion, like Fradi supporters went with 1 or 2 buses. I assume that Ujpest did the same thing. These 2 supporter groups hard-core are the ones we see out roaming the streets when there is a riot lurching.

Jobbik has tried to control these groups, but my belief is that they have failed in that. They are more relying on moral support from HVIM. I would assume that many people are in both organisations and were active when HVIM made their tours around the 'Provinces' before, to stir up troubles.

Jobbik would like to take credit for the 2006 riots, but that was also more HVIM in 'control'. Jobbik was surprised and had to run after HVIM like a tail to a dog.

Both Kike and Odin makes good points:
You will not win the popular vote associating thugs, but thugs can scare the majority from voting.
The latter is probably valid on a local scene though, as Odin's example.

All Saints

Good information!!! thanks

All Saints

Good information!!! i need that.... good musik

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