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November 18, 2008

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Op

"I would be delighted if Draskovics found a way to get rid of these guys"

One of us must be living in an alternate universe.
When did Draskovics become the good guy?
Are you familiar with his past (and present) activities? He's a disgrace.

Why is the completely harmless sissy-brigade Hungarian Guard is such a huge problem? Really. What did they do that's against the law?
Would you like to take their democratic rights away because you're afraid that they are after yours?
I am not a big fan of the Garda or Jobbik, but I would not like to live in a country where they can be simply banned. I don't care if it's the KKK or the Friends of Stalin, as long as they don't hurt anyone they should be free to do their flag-waving and marching and whatever keeps them happy.
Throw a few eggs at them and get over it.

Eva S. Balogh

Op: "When did Draskovics become the good guy? Are you familiar with his past (and present) activities? He's a disgrace."

I didn't say anything about Draskovics's eligibility for his post. I simply said that I don't envy him because given the present situation it is almost impossible to limit the activities of these extremist groups.

"Why is the completely harmless sissy-brigade Hungarian Guard is such a huge problem?"

This so-called harmless sissy-brigade has been intimidating Gypsies for months and since they began appearing in villages with large Gypsy population anti-Gypsy atrocities have multiplied. As of today four are dead. As for the European reactions to this sissy-brigade they have been very critical. The Guard is doing no good for Hungary's reputation abroad.

Op

"The Guard is doing no good for Hungary's reputation abroad."

I've never sympathized with any group that enjoys wearing uniforms, and I'm pretty sick of all parades. Still I believe we have no legitimate reason to just "get rid of them".
I know it's taboo these days, but it's difficult to ignore that Hungary has a growing gypsy population creating a growing problem. Most gypsies are unwilling to give up their traditions and the government is incapable to handle the issue. People get tired of being robbed and terrorized on a daily basis, the police are no help, what happens, the Garda. Making the Garda outlaw will send a powerful message to the gypsy community: do as you please, you're untouchable, Hungarians are not allowed to defend themselves.
I don't think the Garda is the solution. I also don't think there's a simple and politically correct way out of this mess. What would you recommend?

neny

i read comments and i have to say that there is some mistake about interpretation of democracy.
in democracy can't be place for enemies of democracy.
the key element of fascisation of one society is when political structures start to rehabilitate collaborators from ww2.
serbia is clerofascistic because here all parties in parliament are far right,except liberal democratic party.here we have law which give status of antifascist and pensions to cetniks (collaborators from ww2),there is schools with name of nikolaj velimirovic(serbian version of slovak hlinka),pm of pupet state milan nedic have bulevard and picture in the goverment building.
so please ,i don't want to hungary to become such clerofascistic scum,don't give legitimate to magyar garda,don't say that they have democratic right to assembly and work.because if you do that you will legitimitate violence,you will have revidation of big state project,economic collapse,and hate speech in every day life.
here in serbia that groups about i was talked (obraz,dveri,1389...) also try to use that dissabilities of democracy,and unfortunately they have success, because serbian political structures are unresponsible and give them that right to kill,discriminate "democraticaly and frelly".
you will have smile,but they talk about their victim,and call for rights.
i like ferenc gyurcsany because he is responsible and fighter for human rights and freedom!i hope you will have mszp and szdsz coalition for long,because they are garant of unfascistic and free hungary!

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