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November 15, 2008

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Odin's lost eye

I am sorry I posted this in the wrong place where I am afraid it will make less sence than my usual ramblings. Please forgive me fopr posting it again.
Professor you say in your piece *** “Ignorance of the law is not uncommon the judges.” ***.
What an indictment of the Hungarian judiciary. One of the things about judges in other countries is that they must be ‘learned’ that is they must know both statute law and precedent. If the judges ignorant of the law then a good advocate would run rings around them to the detriment of justice. There is a very interesting point made in one of your earlier pieces entitled “Fico and Gyurcsány in Komarno” by a gentleman called Peter. His first remark is to the effect that *** “according to international law, it is the act of war, if some half-military organisation passes the borders of another country” ***. I’m afraid I have corrected the spelling of one word and change the phrasing slightly. This means that if the ’Magyar Garda’ or any one of the other crazy these turns up either in uniform or carrying their uniforms with them in any other country then that is an act of war. If the government of Slovakia would complain to NATO perhaps German and Belgian soldiers could be asked to help see them off the premises.
Peter’s second point is as follows *** “Below is the part of peace treaty from Paris 1947:
Treaty of Peace with Hungary
(Paris, 10 February 1947)
PART II
POLITICAL CLAUSES
SECTION I
Article 4
Hungary, which in accordance with the Armistice Agreement has taken measures for dissolving all organisations of a Fascist type on Hungarian territory, whether political, military or para-military, as well as other organisations conducting propaganda, including revisionist propaganda, hostile to the United Nations, shall not permit in future the existence and activities of organisations of that nature which have as their aim denial to the people of their democratic rights.” ***
I was unaware of the treaty of Paris 1947 and may I congratulate Peter on digging it out for us. A peace treaty is one of the types of treaty which cannot be abrogated under the Vienna convention. If it is abrogated or broken in any way then the war continues. Or shall I put it ‘restarts’. I think however that the particular part of Slovakia where are these loonies turned up was part of the territory originaly given to Hungary by the Germans during their occupation of Czechoslovakia and subsequently returned under the treaty of Paris. Hungary is by the peace treaty obliged to deal with these “nurks” rapidly. It is also interesting that if one examines Fidesz’s plans for the new constitution these may also breach the peace treaty. I could see a ‘Queen’s Counsel’ having great fun with this in court especially if he had a Hungarian judge in charge of the proceeds. Taken to its logical conclusion Hungary is at war with Slovakia and it is quite possible that Fidesz would have to be disbanded. The very fact that the communists broke this treaty is neither here nor there. The democratic Hungary must not do so.

neny

i hope hungary will stay a pearl of eastern europe.
here in serbia we have absolute clericalization of society and state.
the last shameful judiciary decision is that by which judiciar say that he is a christrian and that no one can talk against serbian ortodox church.
let's tell you all about this story.
on one faculty in serbia we have antifascist metting,and there was extreme right (obraz,dveri,1389,national front...) with representatives of spc,and they had beaten people,including professors.and in one tv show,one of the victim of this attack said that irinej(pedofile who rapes young boys,representative of spc) is rider of apocalipse.after that irinej accuse victim for abusing.
and now that man ,by judiciar decision, must pay to him,and thanks for beating.
here you can see story:
[url]http://www.e-novine.com/sr/drustvo/clanak.php?id=19012[/url]
what would i give that here in serbia we have pm like is ferenc gyurcsany.

Op

Hold the paranoia, let's get realistic. Extremists didn't create any problems, the problems created the extremists. People expected things to get better 20 years ago, and they see a steady decline. They are robbed, cheated, lied to and beaten regularly. Hungary was the envy of the Communist Bloc, and look where it is now. Wages are low, taxes are high, basic services are all but gone, what do you expect? Celebration?
Of course simple folks get frustrated and when the government is leaning to the left, it's a natural reflex to jump to the right.
We don't need to "deal with the extremist", we need to deal with the mess that created them. Get rid of the parasites and find a few decent people to take over, before the current set of thieves sell and steal everything. Replace the Gyurcsany gang, and most "extremist" will go back to their old job to work as part time soccer hooligans.

Eva S. Balogh

Op wrote: "Extremists didn't create any problems, the problems created the extremists. People expected things to get better 20 years ago, and they see a steady decline."

I don't agree with you. Prior to the introduction of the convergence program real wages had grown by close to forty percent. That is what caused the problems. Immediately after 1990 there was a huge drop in living standards, but today the situation is better than prior to 1990. Miracles don't exist anywhere in the former socialist blocs. Hungary is no exception.

Op

"Miracles don't exist"

Hungary needs a miracle to recover from 20 years of steady mismanagement, incompetence and corruption. We are just not very blessed with our leaders and I don't see any promising individuals climbing to the top just yet. People depend on the shadow economy to survive (or get rich), the government takes 70% of their wages, try to live on what's left. This is no way to run a country, we need leadership we can trust, lower taxes, more incentives for local businesses to create jobs. Cut the bureaucracy, get tough on corruption, and reward only good management. Transparency, accountability and responsibility. It's never too late to try new things...

Odin's lost eye

Mr Op you say *** “Cut the bureaucracy, get tough on corruption, and reward only good management. Transparency, accountability and responsibility. It's never too late to try new things.” ***
I would agree with you wholehearted. Real problem with Hungary is the 20 years ago after the fall of communism, the then government failed to divorce the political aspect of power from the administrative aspects. I’m not certain how it’s done in America but in United Kingdom there is a thing called “the Crown”. Governments may come and governments may go monarchs may be crowned and monarchs may die but the ‘Crown’ goes on doing its work. The rules its servants have to obey have been laid down by parliament and no minister can override them. In this system there is no way that a minister or his friends can get their sticky little fingers into the till. This has been one of Hungary’s greatest problems. I believe that the current prime minister of Hungary is trying to do something about it. That was why he insisted any company who is the winner of a public tender will be looked at by the Security Services.
Mr Op you also say *** “Get rid of the parasites and find a few decent people to take over, before the current set of thieves sell and steal everything. Replace the Gyurcsany gang, and most "extremist" will go back to their old job to work as part time soccer hooligans.” ***
I very much doubt this. The extremists once they have been organized by people like Jobbic they tend to stay organised. The reason is they are having too much fun punching other people’s lights out and scaring the daylights out of everyone. Apart from that soccer hooligans don’t get paid for the job.
As out good hostess says *** “Miracles don't exist” ***.
The answer to Hungary’s problems is to establish a proper civil service which is accountable to parliament and not minister’s, although ministers are responsible for running it. To cut out the graft and fiddles used by politicians to make themselves and their friends rich. To reform the tax laws so that people pay honest taxes. Finally for the people get on and do some real honest work. Amongst the Hungarian workforce people like this are as rare as 'hen’s teeth'.
Madam neny (I presume you are a lady because the termination of a lady’s name with you use as your name means aunt in Hungarian -although it is spelt differently). The Serbs seem to have been at the bottom of much of the troubles in Europe for the past hundred years. They are still at it. They want that which they lost many hundreds of years ago and you cannot rollback the tide of history. They are unfortunately a nasty little people all have caused the deaths of millions yes millions of their fellow Europeans. You can lay the blame for most of the past hundred year’s tragedies in Europe for the assassination by the Serbs of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. If the First World War had not happened it is that Lenin and his merry men would not taken over by Russia. The treaty of Trianon would never have existed and so on. Of course a certain wicked little Austrian house painter would have spent the rest of his days putting on coats of primer, undercoat and gloss. The things which are going on in Serbia today do not pass unnoticed in the rest of Europe. Serbia wishes to join European Union. Behaving in the way she is behaving, she stands as much chance of doing that as a tissue paper dog catching an asbestos cat in hell.

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