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January 30, 2009

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Sandor

I do feel, you and the author of the original article, (which I haven't read yet), accord an excess of recognition to these groups.
Not as if they were not menacing or dangerous, they are, but in my estimation they are just too primitive and inconsistent to attribute any "ideology," or "theology" to them.
As much as I can ascertain, they frequently mix arrow-cross slogans with rock music, pagan rituals and dress with Kadar-era demands and nomad customs with excessive christianity.
A chaotic and hairbrained lot they are.
What really tie them together is the unrelenting hatred of Gyurcsany, the government and the Jews.
What is really scary is the fact that their influence, or rather their popularity, is indeed increasing.
I ask you; what can be expected from the electorate if they honor any of these bozos by electing them to parliament, just because they, the electorate, is unhappy with the government?
Most of this guys are lucky, if they have elementary school education. So, these are the future politicians, deciding the fate of the country?
Or, perhaps those crooks, riding on the coattails of these guys and make a career for themselves, like Morvai Krisztina, Porzse Sandor and Vona Gabor?
I am convinced, that these groups simply lack the necessary intellectual and political savvy to organize a coherent platform. But there is behind them a more effective group, probably the fidesz, that clandestinely does the organizing for them.

Mark

"The author finds a common thread in a "distorted conservatism" (torz konzervativizmus). Their conservatism is a rigid, dogmatic way of looking at the past: "everything is wrong that's new." "

It is actually a little bit more complicated than this. In some respects the far right is incredibly (post)modern. The presence of this radical right on You Tube is very considerable. I'm not sure that Nemzeti Rock is a throwback to the past, but some of it is a rather bizarre cultural hybrid that fuses muscial traditions and styles that in other contexts have had radically different political connotations.

Even though I find the Hungarian Guard distasteful, and I note the low-level political violence that has occurred against certain pro-government political figures, I think the comparison with Hamas is pretty tasteless. If the Hungarian Guard resorts to an organized campaign of suicide bombing I will change my mind - but they are not doing so far.

There is definitely an alternative, neo-Nazi sub-culture out there, and not far from any Jobbik event you will find sellers of pro-Nazi t-shirts, or people selling pamphlets lamenting the allied victory over Nazi Germany in 1945. There is, however, a broader sub-culture with which this more politically extreme one is somehow associated. That is a broad culturally nationalist one - it is interested in Magyar roots, the problems of the minority, in dressing in the manner of early Magyar tribes (though the actually gear promoted reflects the nineteenth century representation of the Magyar tribes, rather than their reality). This seems to me more about finding a sense of rootedness in a rootless and insecure world, and while it is closely connected to opinions we would consider right-wing, no-one has really investigated its links to the far right.

Sándor talks about “Kádár era demands”. In this regard there is more continuity with the 1930s than this phrase suggests. As anyone who has read the manifestos of the Arrow Cross or the writings of Szálasi will know, social radicalism directed to workers and peasants was combined with anti-Semitism and racism.

Then, I think lastly and responding again to Sándor, I wonder what the modern far right represents. Is it a coherent part of the political landscape? Or is it rather a Cenrtral and Eastern European equivalent of the outburst of youthful left-radicalism that gripped north America and western Europe after 1968. In other words, is it simply the clearest vehicle of protest for a group that feels that the "transition" was not all it cracked up to be, and that the "communists" have too much economic and political power in the current system. How one judges this is critical in working through the best response to the far right.

Sandor

Yes, Mark, you are right, they are pressing towards the direction of least resistance. There is no risk in labeling everything they don't like as communist.
Nevertheless, I consider this as Bad Religion and don't think it suitable for the political discourse.

Op

What you call "extreme right" can be a natural self defense against extreme wrong.
I don't agree with everything they believe in, but I understand why they are fed up with the Gyurcsany gang.
I find religion silly, abortion necessary and personal freedom and privacy essential.
I would also decriminalize drugs, and use the revenues to pay off the national debt.
Am I conservative now?

Bela Varga

Sandor,
Having read your "elitist" description of the Hungarian right as uneducated bunch of hoboes reveals your "education". Man, you'd better crawl out from under your voluntary rock!
You've made yourself the laughter of the day. Congrats!

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