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February 04, 2009

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dave

I admit, we were not careful enough. This article should have never been published in Financial Times. It is full of Orban's lies without adequate commentary that would put them into context. Fortunately, the damage is not that big but we have to be more watchful.

Mark

"Orbán repeated his party's favorite hobby horse (beside a smaller parliament and a savings on paper clips and furniture). He wants to get rid of more bureaucrats."

This is about FIDESZ's communication, and it is a fairly typical example, of what is called "dog whistling". One message is given to the voters - we will protect you, we will raise your living standards. Another is given to the international financial markets - we will be even more neo-liberal than those spendthrift Socialists. And the details for everyone are kept suitably vague so any attacks on them can be fudged. And of course, those, bureaucrats, because government wastes money, if only we would reduce government waste we'd have enough money (well, if you could change the weather, Hungary might become warmer, but wanting to do something, is not the same as actually achieving it).

So, he wants to cut personal income taxes. Maybe the electorate deserve to know how he is going to do this. He can (a) raise other taxes (VAT to 25% or higher, for example), (b) cut spending, or (c) try a combination. The problem with (b) is that if you look at government spending by function, in 2006 (the lastest figures I could find) 74.6% of government expenditure went on social protection (all those pensions etc.), general public services (police, and emergency services), health, or education. To make the kind of difference to the budget to cut taxes by the ammount Orbán suggests lots of people are going to suffer, and the quality/coverage of core public services will fall. And, if what has happened since 2006 is any guide, lots of people are going to be very upset.

FIDESZ, however, has been telling everyone since 2002 about how it is going to make everyone richer, more secure, and to do it better and more easily than the MSZP. You would think after the mess the MSZP has got into over its own dishonesty towards the electorate, that FIDESZ would have realized that it risked walking into exactly the same trap. How do you think people will react if the electorate decides to punish the MSZP for lying about the true economic situation, by electing FIDESZ, and discover their new government pulling exactly the same confidence trick? And, especially in the depths of an economic crisis .... Not well, is my guess.

Andras

Let's see for example the vague proposal of following the Slovakian example of 19% tax rate. Seems wonderful. But, that would mean to tax with 19% personal income tax employees, whose annual income equals or less than the annual amount of minimum wage. These people currently are enjoying tax holiday. If Orban government would introduce flat tax rate, means that about 600.000 low paid workers should pay 19% tax out of their monthly 300 euro wage income. This would affect negatively about 30-40% of Hungarian employees. This would hurt especially the domestic owned SME sector, where majority of employees are employed at minimum wage or below (taking into account part time employees). Orban tells one side of the story, and did not mention the other side of the story and its consequence on low paid employees and on SME sector. On the other hand, MSZP is dumb not to highlight, for example, this easy equitation and make clear what is the real issue behind the flashy promises. Unfortunately, without putting forward the consequences of the different proposals, is hard to develop meaningful political discussion and to help people to understand what is the game about. Without a change in the political culture, there would be very difficult to have real democracy.

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dave
I think that the readers of the 'old pink'un' -the FT- are a little bit more sophisticated than you give them credit for. They are not like the readers of the Mirror, Sun or the Daily Gabble and can tell 'margarine from butter'. Mr Victor and his crew are not as cleaver as they think. Western audiences especially the readers of the so called ‘Quality Papers’ have good judgement and remember when they are being told lies, so long as the reports are correct in every detail the paper has a perfect defence.

JohnHunyadi

Hi Andras, just noticed your post (3 months after the fact): "Let's see for example the vague proposal of following the Slovakian example of 19% tax rate. Seems wonderful. But, that would mean to tax with 19% personal income tax employees, whose annual income equals or less than the annual amount of minimum wage". No, it would not mean that. A flat tax can include a tax exemption based on personal or family income. As an example: a 20% flat personal income tax that does not apply to the first 100,000 forints of monthly income. So someone earning 100,000 forints would pay 0% tax, someone on 200,000 would pay 10% and someone on 1,000,000 would pay 18%.

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