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May 12, 2009

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Mark

It is very difficult for me to judge the role of local factors, and the personalities (Szili's popularity) in influencing the vote. But it is difficult to ignore the fact that Szili's score in Pécs is almost exactly what applying the national opinion polls to previous election results (both at parliamentary and local level) would lead one to expect.

I remember in late 2004 when a parliamentary by-election was held in Sopron (a city whose local political dynamics I do know pretty well), and that suggested to me that the situation was not as bad for the MSZP as opinion polls then suggested. This in contrast suggests that the polls are absolutely right - the MSZP can expect around 20% in the European election on 7th June.

On the question of the local activists - what you say of the US is true of the UK too and having ran local campaigns myself my experience is that a strong grass-roots campaign normally appreciably improves a cnadidate's result, especially in a local election where turnout is low. There are two potential reasons why this backfired here. Firstly, I noticed in 2006 that people in Budapest really disliked FIDESZ activists knocking on their doors, and saw it as an invasion of their privacy, and as vaguely threatening. I'm also told that when polling organizations have attempted exit polls on election days in Hungary, people have tended to behave in a similar way. Secondly, even in the UK when the mood is hostile to the party doing the door-knocking it tends to make voters determined to turn out and vote for the other side! I wouldn't rule out both these factors working here.

whoever

The MSZP have very advanced demographic data on most areas of the country, and I would have thought the only areas that they would "flood" would be their natural core areas. After all, most doorstepping is not aimed at winning new voters - it's about getting existing voters out.

Fidesz's strategy in 2006, as you describe it, was strange, and rather unsophisticated, given Budapest as a place which is not naturally sympathetic to the right-wing. It sounds like they wanted keep people busy, rather than developing a targetted approach based on clearly defined data sets.

The only explanation for this "backfire" would be severe disillusionment amongst traditional MSZP voters, vented on those strangers representing the MSZP on the doorstep. This is understandable and I absolutely sympathise.

SG

I think the decision to announce the pension cuts (or even get them through parliament?) just before the Pécs election was taken consciously. Either some people within MSZP wanted to harm Szili who, as far as I have heard, is not always willing to keep within party discipline, or the decision to move ahead with the pension reforms and to lose Pécs was taken consciouly. The whole Bajnai program will not exactly make MSZP win next year's election. Bajnai is taking the right steps, but he is doing so knowing that the voters next year won't be thankful at all. In the long run - in 2014, maybe - voters might be able to acknowledge that the Bajnai reform agenda was the bitter medicine the country needed. Now, people are just angry at MSZP. (Actually, I know some Hungarians who never showed any temper for years and who get furious if you mention MSZP or Gyurcsány to them...)

MSZP has, as far as I think, accepted that they won't be a part of the next government, and they are using the little time that remains to them before the elections to take some urgently needed reforms.

On the other hand, this election result also means that Szili will stay President of the National Assembly, and I think she is doing that job very well actually. A lot of observers in Budapest would have been sorry to see her leave for the south, I've heard.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "But it is difficult to ignore the fact that Szili's score in Pécs is almost exactly what applying the national opinion polls to previous election results (both at parliamentary and local level) would lead one to expect."

You're mistaken. She received 30 some percent of the votes while MSZP's standing is around 18-20%.

Mark

Éva: “You're mistaken. She received 30 some percent of the votes while MSZP's standing is around 18-20%."

No I'm not. You've made an elementary mistake here in that you are comparing results in Pécs alone with opinion poll figures for the country as a whole. This would be fine if Pécs was representative politically of the country as a whole, but it hasn't been - indeed it consistently hasn't been during the whole of this decade; the MSZP is substantially stronger in the city than across Hungary. In fact across the three Pécs constituencies the three MSZP candidates won 53.25% in the first round in 2006 against a score of 40.26% for all MSZP candidates in individual constituencies nationally (I could have done the comparison with list votes where the MSZP polled just over 43%nationally but to get the Pécs results I'd have had to add up the votes cast in each of the 155 individual polling stations to get the city results - but it wouldn't have shown anything too different). This pattern can be seen in every election post-2000. In other words the score the MSZP should get in Pécs ought to be around 13% in advance of its national score.

Szili won 34.2% percent. If you take that 13% off you would project a 21% national level of support if Pécs were representative of the country as a whole. That looks remarkably like the national figures for those who say they are certain to vote for the MSZP in a parliamentary election as measured by the polls.

whoever

From this, you could even argue that the national polling figures for the MSZP may even currently be inflated. If a large part of that 13% was actually a personal vote for Szili - which shouldn't be discounted - it may be that the real situation for the MSZP is even worse than people are saying.

Mark

You could - you can make assumptions about Szili's personal vote (though I'd say on of the advantages of creating a base for comparison from individual constituency results rather than the list votes is one of the three candidates in 2006 was Szili herself, and one of the other candidates - Toller undoubtedly had a smilar personal vote). You can also make assumptions about the likely numbers of SZDSZ and MDF voters who would have voted for Szili and get a very low MSZP figure.

On the other hand it can be argued that Szili's vote was depressed by the poor performance of the local government in the past three years.

But we have no real evidence to evaluate the role these factors played. I think it is striking that Szili's vote was so similar to what you would expect in the city given the MSZP's current national opinion polling figures. This suggests that the voters treated it as simply a referendum on the MSZP. If this is the case, then in an election where both parties attempted to underplay the party affiliations of their candidates, voters still voted on party lines, and produced a result, which if repeated across the country, would lead to the MSZP failing to win a single one of the 176 individual constituencies, then they should be very worried.

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