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August 24, 2009

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Sophist

"The very same Tamás Sneider today, seventeen years later, is Jobbik's representative on the city council of Eger. Or at least he was until a week ago when he was arrested by the police. Reasons for the arrest at the moment are unknown."

Wearing Garda uniform, perhaps

"Morvai and Hegedus said they were wearing the vest in solidarity with 18 people who were apprehended at an event on Wednesday in Eger, N Hungary, for wearing the uniform."

http://www.politics.hu/20090824/mep-krisztina-morvai-makes-speech-wearing-banned-paramilitary-outfit

Odin's lost eye

I was still basking in the result from the Oval and winning the ‘Ashes’ and England holds the ‘Calcutta Cup’ (who says I am not a nationalist) when I read this piece. I became interested in the ‘why’s’ and ‘wherefores’ of the structure of Hungarian political parties. The great ‘why’ is why do some Hungarian political parties have to recruit ‘muscle’? And what is it for? Can any one tell me this? It seems to me to be a sort of a Hungarian tradition, but why? And why is it necessary? Is the Hungarian state so immature that its leaders (and potential leaders) have to have their own security/enforcers? Or do they wish to emulate people like Mr Mugbey of Zimbabwe (whose flag is similar to that of Hungary) and have a ‘Goon Squad’ at their beck and call to do their dirty work?
Of the last four regimes in Hungary the ‘Dual Monarchy’ founded the Magyar Királyi Csendörség in 1881 probably to deal with the increasing unrest and agitation originating from the minority nationalities who wanted self determination. The Regent Admiral Horthy seems to have inherited them after he took over from the Romanian army who had ‘done for’ Bela Kun outfit. Towards the end of his rule Szálasi and his Arrow Cross ‘hoods’ re-surfaced and came to power. They were in turn replaced by Rakosi and many of Szálasi’s ‘hoods’ became ‘AVO’ goons, later on to become part of Kador’s III/III (change the name and do the same).
Without exception all of these regimes have depended on ‘foreign bayonets’ for their power. None of these regimes could rely on Hungarian soldiers to turn on their own people. The Dual Monarchy could and did bring in non-Hungarian troops. Horthy came to power on the shoulders of the Romanian Army and was for a time supported by them. Szálasi’s mob depended on the occupying German troops for his power. Whilst the the 'Goons' of the Rakosi/Kardor communist regime were backed up by large numbers of Soviet troops, which Hungary had to pay for. I am just wondering who will provide the ‘foreign bayonets’ to support the latest set of ‘tow-rags’ to crawl out from under 'their flat stones' (Magyar Garda). ‘Nato’ will not and that is for sure! However if one reads David Yallops book ‘The Power and the Glory’ there is a clue in chapter 10 as to who might provide this backup.
Is the Hungarian government so weak that it continues to allow these 'oafs' to strut arround in poncey outfits, which now proclaim that they are part of the Hungarian armed forces, and drive around in expensive vans with a picture of 'Humbert' the lion with near terminal Haemoids on it?
Can anyone tell me why?

David

Odin, Is it not highly likely that Putin is funding the Hungarian far-right? It is strange, given 1956 and all that, that a Hungarian nationalist group is pro-Russian, but Jobbik certainly seem to be. This is why I wonder whether this is the influence of the Kremlin chequebook.

The Smallholders situation shows exactly what is likely to happen if Jobbik and its ilk get into power. Corruption on a scale that even the current and previous encumbents would blush at; and remember anyone who shows the infallible Dear Leaders with their hands in the metaphorical till is a traitor/Zionist or whatever.

Odin's lost eye

David your question about Putin is very valid. In geostrategic terms Russia has a barrier of states between its self and NATO except in the north where the ‘Baltic States’ are NATO members. If Putin could divorce Hungary from NATO this would put the Ukraine straight back into the ‘Russian bear’s pocket’. Russia’s buffer state would then be Austria who must be by its peace treaty neutral. But it is right next door to NATO’s heartland. However I do not think this is the whole story. Russia is in none too good a position economically could she afford to carry Hungary and pay off its huge debts? Remember corruption on the scale you are discussing would shut off all European cash and turn off the IMF guarantees.
My real question is why the ‘Hoods’?

Bob

Odin, fantastic post! First I think your example of Mugabe is excellent. Orbán is a Hungarian Mugabe - will win the elections at home, but he is unacceptable for the "civilized West".

Look at it this way. Hungary is not a democracy, it is a tribal society where the "silent majority" goes with the highest bidder. The Germans or Russians had nothing to do with keeping Hun Governments in power. Hungarians today would gladly support Putin, if he would offer free bread and circus to them. Szálasi remained in power because the Hungarians took the kitchen furniture of the murdered Jews, Horthy survived because he instituted the worst feudal exploitation of peasants and workers by the his half-educated, corrupt aristocracy..

icr

To place this in some sort of context: the major West European parties have links-or at least extraordinary tolerance- for the the violent actions of the "anarchist" Antifa. In the UK the violent UAF is tolerated by the major parties.

In the US traditional organized crime (e.g. the "Mafia") has been an integral part of many big-city political machines for at least a century. More recently black and Mexican street gangs have utilized by the Democratic Organization in Chicago. See John Kass' columns in The Chicago Tribune for extensive documentation.
Also see this:
http://www.ipsn.org/hired_truck_scandal/hdo_grows_into_political_powerho.htm

David

UAF? What is that? University of Alaska Fairbanks?

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It's difficult to summarize the story but I will try because the events that transpired about fifteen years ago are relevant to today's headlines. First, atrocities against Gypsies were frequent even in the 1990s. Second, we talk about the popularity of the far right among the youth as something relatively new. Yet already in 1994 according to a study conducted by the Ministry of Welfare approximately 40,000 teenagers between the ages of 14 and 17 identified with the skinhead ideology in its entirety (although they were not necessarily active in the movement); 160,000 identified “to some extent” with skinheads.

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