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August 30, 2009

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promontor

About the Sólyom vs. Foreign Ministry issue:
It may be arguable, whether it is wise having two centres of foreign policy in a country. Probably not.

But if there are two (and apparently this is the case in Hungary now), then it still depends on the people running the show from both sides to talk to each other and work together so that the foreign policy gets harmonized.

Looking back at the Sólyom visit, I do not think that only Sólyom can be blamed for the mistakes of our foreign policy: I am pretty sure that the foreign ministry was informed about the president's program well ahead of time. They had the opportunity to warn the president about some of the potential problems related to the visit (the dates, the sensitive position of the local government of Komárom has in Slovakian politics and so on). Apparently they did not do that. Therefore I think they have their share of responsibility for what happened.

Also, complaining about the president afterwards is neither elegant nor wise.

Concerning the Fico-Bajnai meeting, I am rather pessimistic. For Fico, the fact of the meeting is all he wants, as that is enough for him to demonstrate his flexibility. At the same time, it is not in his interest to make any concessions to Hungary. Thus I am afraid that we will see something very similar to what happened when Fico and Gyurcsany met last time. Which was just another slap on our face.

Eva S. Balogh

József Bíró: "Looking back at the Sólyom visit, I do not think that only Sólyom can be blamed for the mistakes of our foreign policy: I am pretty sure that the foreign ministry was informed about the president's program well ahead of time."

As you may gather, I'm less charitable. Let's look at the chronology. It was at the beginning of June that Sólyom told Peter Weiss, the new ambassador, that he is going to Komárno. It was a casual mention of it at the time Weiss handed him his credentials. It was only on August 13th that Sólyom's staff informed(!) the Foreign Ministry. It wasn't "well ahead of time."

One thing is sure the Foreign Ministry is also to be blamed. They didn't have the guts to tell Sólyom off. They didn't tell him that he simply cannot go because the Slovak-Hungarian relations are such that it is not advisable. More than that, they should have told him a long time ago that the government is responsible for foreign policy and he is constitutionally not permitted to make "state visits" on his own. They didn't have the guts to do it and now they are paying the price. The country is paying the price.

promontor

Dear Eva,

"... Let's look at the chronology. It was at the beginning of June that Sólyom told Peter Weiss, the new ambassador, that he is going to Komárno. It was a casual mention of it at the time Weiss handed him his credentials. It was only on August 13th that Sólyom's staff informed(!) the Foreign Ministry. It wasn't "well ahead of time.""

Hm, is this chronology confirmed somewhere? The meeting with the Slovak ambassador is quoted widely by the Hungarian press, but the second (Sólyom telling about the Hungarian foreign ministry only on 13 August) I could not find. Perhaps in the interview with our minister, you mention in the post? Can you provide a reference to it?

BTW, there was a mention of the Sólyom visit on a Slovakian website on 12 August (http://www.bumm.sk/32289/solyom-laszlo-szonoklataval-leplezik-le-a-komaromi-szent-istvan-szobrot.html). It seems quite unlikely to me that while informing both the Slovak ambassador (the press even mentions a second meeting with him, on which the ambassador confirmed the unavailability of Gasparovic on 21 August) and all kinds of officials in Komarno, he does not inform the foreign ministry about his plans...

BR promontor

Eva S. Balogh

Promontor: "Hm, is this chronology confirmed somewhere? The meeting with the Slovak ambassador is quoted widely by the Hungarian press, but the second (Sólyom telling about the Hungarian foreign ministry only on 13 August) I could not find. Perhaps in the interview with our minister, you mention in the post? Can you provide a reference to it?"

Certainly:
http://napkelte.wildom.hu/naptv/naptv.visszanezo.page?nap=20090824

However, it is very possible that I heard the date in some other interview with Ferenc Kumin, for example. I have excellent memory in general and for dates especially.

As far as the bumm.sk's article of August 12 is concerned, I read it and it is clear as anything that the information is not coming from Sólyom's office but from the city council of Komárno. Look at all the references. Of course, the city council knew every bit of detail because as the mayor of Komárno told in KlubRadio the other day: they were in constant touch with Sólyom for some time. Ever since the idea of erecting a statue of St. Stephen came up. Sólyom actually contributed money for the statue. A former colleague of mine once wrote a book called: The Historian as Detective. I have a bit of the detective in me.

Phillip

Dear Eva,

I work for a company that syndicates blog content for professional audiences. I tried to find an email address for you but I could not see one. I hope it's OK to leave this comment instead, please delete if it is not. My email address is in the comment form, please contact me if you would like to know more about syndication.

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Phil

promontor

Dear Eva,

Thanks for the link. However, I just finished watching the interview and it does not confirm your statement. Balázs - although he expresses some criticism along the same general line as you do - does not mention any exact dates when he or his ministry was informed about Sólyom's plans.

I think the normal way of "doing business" is that Sólyom must inform the Foreign Ministry about his plans well ahead of time and must even consult them, whether they agree or not. (Whether he has a legal obligation to obey, I do not know, I leave that question to law experts. Politically I think he should come to an agreement with the ministry about his plans.)

Informing the ministry only a week before, when almost everything is organised and even the Slovaks know about the visit for months is a huge mistake/misbehaviour.

Therefore, using the principle of "presumption of innocence" I think that he should be "accused" with such a misbehaviour only if there is some proof for that. To my knoledge, there is none, and I cannot recall any statement (not even by Ferenc Kumin) saying so, although I was also trying to follow the news on this issue.

(BTW, as far as I remember, the 13 August date was mentioned by Fico as the date when HIS foreign ministry was informed about the visit: http://www.bumm.sk/32582/fico-szerint-solyom-nem-mond-igazat.html)

BR promontor

Eva S. Balogh

Promontor: "(BTW, as far as I remember, the 13 August date was mentioned by Fico as the date when HIS foreign ministry was informed about the visit:"

As I said I wasn't quite sure. I surely didn't get it from bumm.sk. Perhaps I heard it in an interview with Peter Weiss also in Nap-kelte. Worth listening to that one too, although a bit difficult to follow. Weiss has a heavy accent in English and Betlen who used to work as a simultaneous interpreter was translating so fast that the English was often covered by the Hungarian text. Real Babel it was.

Eva S. Balogh

Phillip: "My email address is in the comment form, please contact me if you would like to know more about syndication."

I tried to write to you but the e-mail address you gave is wrong. I can't send my address.

Andras

This is a very important gesture on behalf of the Prime Minister:
http://index.hu/kulfold/2009/09/07/bajnai_hidakat_epitene_a_magyar-szlovak_hataron/

It is the common responsibility of politicians in both countries to try to defuse the ticking bomb of nationalism.

Phillip

Hi Eva,

I wanted to follow-up. I thought I'd left a second comment with my corrected email address but I don't see it here. Anyway, I have included the correct address in the comment form below. If you think you might be interested in syndication, please let me know.

Kind regards,

Phillip

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