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August 22, 2009

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Viking

If any one want to check out an old UNCHR report where these Debrecen-Nazis are mentioned you can find it in
Human Rights Watch,
Rights Denied:
The Roma of Hungary,
1 July 1996,
available at:
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6a7e10.html
Note the date, these guys were out early and that the Good People of Debrecen had Nooo Idea that these nice men actually did these things..?
Never heard that one before.

Odin's lost eye

Professor you say that the press * “In their questions there was always the implied accusation that the police were at best plodding, at worst useless.”.
I hope the police were plodding by checking, checking and re-checking, making certain that they had a ‘cast iron’ case (gas tight, water tight and solid diamond) before they started to ‘feel collars’. News hounds always want instant success and a story, but they forget the old saying ‘The mills of God (and of good policemen) grind slow but grind exceeding fine’. Where this will all lead to I do not know there are many other ‘collars’ yet to be felt and many other ‘names and addresses’ yet to be taken
The police will have by now followed the money back to its sources, and have discovered the mechanism by which victims were targeted. As a result of the on-going investigations the NNI will gain a huge insight into the far right, Jobbik and perhaps some of the levels of Fidesz who are very sympathetic to the far rights’ ambitions. I hope that this information is kept secret as it may well lead to other nasty little plots and plans.
The news hounds will now be baying for all of the details. The police must keep some of what they know secret. The press will invent stories probably based on deliberate leaks and draw conclusions which are wide of the mark.
Mr Viking thank you for the link, it is most interesting. I wish I could get a better insight into the Roma, there is more there than meets the eye.
Finally I am disgusted by the activities of certain other senior figures in Hungarian political life. At least three have had their ‘cards marked’ in Brussels and the other chancelleries of Europe. They are greeted politely, listened to, and then quietly ignored! I am afraid that the President of Hungary is one of them, as is the ‘All Highest’ of Fidesz and the leader of MZSP. You do not do what they did and still be respected!

Eva S. Balogh

Viking: You are fantastic finding this Human Watch report from 1996. I made a feeble attempt at finding something on the Torah burning but because I didn't know the exact date the information wasn't popping up immediately and I was running out of time. There is no question in my mind that we are talking about the same two guys. The youngest of the four is now 28 and therefore he must be the one who is described in the report as the 16-year old. I for one can't quite believe that the owner of the two bars had no idea who these people were. Thank you for the link.

Joseph Zuberec

Viking: Blaming Sólyom for anything is more than ridiculous. Why don't you mention the idiotic conduct of the Slovak ultra nationalist government for trying to destroy the Hungarian minority in Slovakia. Those Hungarian people live there for Centuries and is not their fold that idiotic peace treaties after WWI and WW2 changed the borders around them.

Joseph Zuberec

Sophist

Eva,

"One thing is sure: it will hard to minimize the far-right danger in Hungary from here on. The police already has nine people under arrest as members of the Arrows of Hungarians that was targeting politicians. Four more now from Szálasi's storm troopers, and most likely there will be others"

With no more outstanding extremist crimes unaccounted for, and all the alleged perpetrators under arrest, I would argue that the police actually have minimised the far-right danger in Hungary.

Whether there will be others will I suppose depend on if the police have got the right men, and the response of the far right parties to these arrests - will they see these men as martyrs or monsters?

Eva S. Balogh

Sophist: "Whether there will be others will I suppose depend on if the police have got the right men, and the response of the far right parties to these arrests - will they see these men as martyrs or monsters?"

Number one. As far as I know there will most likely more arrests. Bencze already indicated that much. Number two. I'm almost 100% certain that they got the right men. Number three. You may think that 9+4 is nothing but you must consider those large far-right masses who may not have killed anyone but who approve of these four's acts. Then there is the Keleti Arcvonal Bajtársi Szövetség to which these people belonged. That organization was registered in 1995 and address of the organization was the same as the Hungarian Smallholders' Party. Torgyán apparently knew about them and kept good relations with Hungarists abroad. The Smallholders were coalition partners of Orbán. The man who owns the bars is a close friend of Lajos Kósa. So, believe me we are talking about a net covering the whole right side of the political spectrum with the exception of today's MDF. But the old MDF was in it all the way. Enough to think of Lajos Für, honorary head of the Hungarian Guard, who served as minister of defense in the Antall government.

Sophist

"The man who owns the bars is a close friend of Lajos Kósa"

An opportunity, then, for Orbán to kill two birds with one stone when he's giving the Magyar Garda "a few slaps"

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