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September 29, 2009

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Gábor

I have heard Bajnai giving a presentation in Brussels, lobbying the EU to make Budapest the seat of the European Institute of Innovation and Technology. Two German guys (serious looking, in their fifties) just in front of me agreed he made it excellently.

In fact he gave a presentation and as most of the presentations I have heard or seen from people coming from business, it was very basic and without significant content compared to what I'm used to in academia. (I mean the better ones, I won't pretend that a significant part of papers presented at a historical or social sciences conferences is not mediocre at best...) It was rather a PR event, nice photos of the city and four or five arguments repeated. Bajnai was "smart" in this sense, he had a modest body language and certainly used his look and charm tactfully, but without any sign of invention, creativity etc.

I do not want to argue that one specific occasion proves anything, but for me it conveyed the image of a man, who - although certainly intelligent - instead of posing critical questions and asking for the gaps in theories, solutions etc. accepts what he learned without doubt and applies it. (That's why he believes that his program is not only working but the only solution.) And in this belief I was also confirmed by people who had opportunity to meet him among other occasions and very different circumstances. Bajnai is the hero of our age and certainly more restrained and modest (and willing to learn and accept some ideas, must admit) than others (like the Hungarian oligarchs Csányi or Demján or yuppies like Péter Heim) but it is quite telling about the age we live in as well.

(Éva, did you noticed Csányi's almost explicit support for Fidesz's economic program? His two minions, Krisztián Orbán and Tamás Vojnits published a piece on Index, and even though three years or a year and a half ago they were hawks of rapid and extended budget cuts, now they recapitulated what one could know about Fidesz's ideas - larger deficit with the permission of the IMF etc.)

Mark

"The trend that started in August seems to be continuing."

If you look at historic opinion poll data you will see that in every cycle since 1994-1998 the governing party has received a boost in opinion polling in late summer and early autumn in the year before the election. Only one government has been re-elected from this position. In fact looking at the figures if the MSZP repeats the achievement of four years ago, the MSZP will poll somewhere in the high 20s next year and FIDESZ will finish twenty points ahead of them with just under 50 percent (and that would given FIDESZ a two-thirds majority in parliament after the second round).

Furthermore we know that Bajnai does not intend to lead the MSZP into the 2010 elections (most people I speak to here in Budapest believe he may be going to Brussels as Hungary's EU commissioner). We have no idea who the MSZP will nominate as their Prime Minister candidate in December at their congress, and every sign suggests that the MSZP don't know themselves. Nor do we know if the MSZP will run against the policies of the Bajnai government.

Every indication of the public mood is that the policies of the Bajnai government have no support whatsoever, even among those who will vote for the MSZP. I also think that many expect positive change from FIDESZ, and behind that there is considerable tension. I also think you are afraid of the wrong thing. It is not an Orbán government you should be scared of (it is virtually inevitable barring either a miracle or a catastrophe); it is what happens afterwards when people realize that the positive change isn't coming.

"If the Fidesz lead is so overwhelming and unchangeable, why would Lajos Kósa (the most popular Fidesz politician, by the way) feel compelled to organize a demonstration against the government's decision to give 4.5% less money to the local governments than they got last year. "

This is very easy to explain. Many of the mayors are standing in individual constituencies as FIDESZ candidates when the election occurrs next year. They do not wish to lose votes as a result of cuts. Therefore they need to make as much noise as possible so that people blame the government.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark about Bajnai: "most people I speak to here in Budapest believe he may be going to Brussels as Hungary's EU commissioner)."

90% of what one hears in Budapest is wild guessing without any foundation. Believe me, Bajnai isn't going to Brussels. Either Kovács stays or perhaps Edit Herczog will replace him. They talk about János Veres but apparently he doesn't know English. On the webpage of the parliament he indicates that he handles English and German "conversationally" (társalgási fokon). According to people in the know that means that in practical terms he doesn't really know either.

Gábor

Mark: most people I speak to here in Budapest believe he may be going to Brussels as Hungary's EU commissioner

Surprisingly many people read Magyar Hírlap and believe in their stories.

hel

"Even right-wing Hungarians who came to listen to him "were jealous of the socialists" for having such an excellent man as Gordon Bajnai."

They are so jealous that the Post-Communist party supporting Bajnai is standing at 14% and their centre-right opposition at 47%.

Your desperate campaigning for the Post-Communists is absolutely ridiculous.

Eva S. Balogh

Hel: ""Even right-wing Hungarians who came to listen to him "were jealous of the socialists" for having such an excellent man as Gordon Bajnai." They are so jealous that the Post-Communist party supporting Bajnai is standing at 14% and their centre-right opposition at 47%. Your desperate campaigning for the Post-Communists is absolutely ridiculous."

Well, let me straighten you out. What you give me into my mouth was not uttered by me but by László Bartus who was in New York and talked to the American-Hungarians present. Most of these people are not voters in Hungarian elections and therefore your reference to the forecast of the election results has nothing to with anything.

As far as your figures are concerned. They are inaccurate. According to the latest poll (Századvég-Forsense) among people who claim that they would definitely vote: Fidesz would get 57% while MSZP 25%. In the population as a whole: Fidesz stands at 25% while MSZP 14%. At the same time 54% is either undecided or not planning to vote.

NWO

Eva

I still believe you are "delusional" if you think MSZP is going to win the next election. If you were to review the history of my posts, you would see that I have mentioned many times that Orban is his own worst enemy and has a great ability to overreach and grab defeat from the jaws of victory. I don't think that will happen, though I do expect the polls to tighten as some traditional MSZP voters either come back to the party (when they nominate a real left winger) or just stay home. Similarly, FIDESZ will get squeezed from both the left and right, which in the first round at least will hold down somewhat their numbers. But having said all that, MSZP cannot get a majority. SzDSz is unlikely to get above the 5% threshold. FIDESZ will win with something like 70%+ of the vote in Western Hungary, 50-60%+ in much of Eastern Hungary/Pest County and enough in Budapest to form a government.
I actually do know the PM, but have not spoken to him in a while. As I have again said a number of times, I do respect the job he has done and can confirm that he really has always been quite an impressive person. As for Brussels, I would not be surprised at all if Bajnai would be looking to leave Hungary after his mandate is over and the EU is the most logical place to go. Other than that, I imagine London would be his next most likely destination (very senior position at the EBRD?).
Finally, I cannot imagine Kovacs will be renominated to the EU Commission. He is a total waste of time. He is a symbol of the old MSZP. Even the Economist pointed out last week that he ranks among or atop the list of least effective Commissioners.

Eva S. Balogh

NWO: "I still believe you are "delusional" if you think MSZP is going to win the next election."

But I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying that one cannot make predictions for the future on the basis of the polls of today. Moreover, if a party begins a campaign with the idea that they are going to lose they surely will.

Eva S. Balogh

NWO: "Even the Economist pointed out last week that he [Kovács] ranks among or atop the list of least effective Commissioners."

It wasn't an official ranking by the Economist but a blog writer's private assessment. I think Kovács did a good job.

NWO

Really? What substantive changes in European tax policy can you cite to support that opinion? Actually, please let me know what his views are on this matter or any other substantive matter? He got the job because he was an elderly power broker in the MSZP who happens to speak good English.

And remember, he only was put in the tax position, because he became virtually the first commissioner to fail his "test" for his first portfolio-Energy.

Eva S. Balogh

NWO: "Really? What substantive changes in European tax policy can you cite to support that opinion?"

We are talking here about László Kovács. I personally remember one occasion when either the Financial Times or the Wall Street Journal was praising him for a very clever solution to some taxation problem. The fact is that the post is not an important one because taxation is more or less the privilege of the member states. What Kovács had to do was to convince each country to do this or that. And that not an easy thing to do. According to his own assessment he did achieve certain things. See the end of this article: http://www.fn.hu/kulfold/20091001/kovacs_interju/

As for flunking his first test. That was embarrassing. However, I don't think that he failed because he is stupid but he was unprepared. Admittedly, that's bad enough.

Mark

Éva: "90% of what one hears in Budapest is wild guessing without any foundation. Believe me, Bajnai isn't going to Brussels."

I think you've concentrated on the rumour and missed the important point - we are six months away from polling day. The current Prime Minister, whose budgetary policies are making a deep recession worse, has told everyone who has asked him on the record that he will not stand for election in 2010. The MSZP has no candidate for Prime Minister; no programme, and no message. Furthermore, we (and I assume the MSZP itself) has no idea who the candidate will be, and what basis it is going to run on.

By this stage in 2005 the MSZP had already run its "values" poster campaign, and Gyurcsány had launched his book in a blaze of publicity. Furthermore they were a good 15% ahead in the polls of where they are now. Furthermore, as today's unuscessfuly first round by-election in Pécs shows fewer people are prepared to turn out and vote in what should be a safe MSZP seat than in June (when turnout was utterly miserable), and of those an even lower percentage (14.5% against 16.7%) are prepared to cast their votes for the MSZP candidate.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "Furthermore, as today's unuscessfuly first round by-election in Pécs shows fewer people are prepared to turn out and vote in what should be a safe MSZP seat than in June"

That's an interesting interpretation. At the first two attempts the Fidesz candidate was leading. That seat is not a safe MSZP seat and Fidesz voters aren't turning out to send their man to parliament.

Mark

Éva: "That seat is not a safe MSZP seat"

The winning MSZP candidate in 2006 took the seat in the first round with 59.07% of the vote (nearly 16% in advance of the party's national score). It was in the top five highest MSZP scores of any individual constituency in the country, and only 3% less than their best score. If that isn't a safe seat, I don't know what is.

As for differential turnout yesterday FIDESZ turned out 58.6% of those who voted for it in the same seat in 2006 (which is broadly what one would expect given the lower level of interest generated in a by-election compared with a general election). The MSZP only turned out only 5.0% percent of those who voted for it in 2006. Who knows what local circumstances affecting it are, but I'm afraid that if we discount those (as I've no idea what the local dynamics are) this suggests that the opinion polls are overestimating the national level of MSZP support by a big margin, i.e. it is probably half of what the opinion polls are saying it is.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "It was in the top five highest MSZP scores of any individual constituency in the country, and only 3% less than their best score. If that isn't a safe seat, I don't know what is."

In my opinion there is no such thing as a safe seat. Given the general mood of the country and Páva's win as mayor, it was likely that the seat will go to Fidesz. Yet, Fidesz voters are just as apathetic as the MSZP voters. They know that it matters because winning the seat would mean one extra Fidesz member of parliament and yet they didn't get inspired. You can't say: oh, this shows that the MSZP voters abandoned the party because one could also say: the Fidesz voters don't give a damn about the fate of this seat.

Mark

Éva: "Yet, Fidesz voters are just as apathetic as the MSZP voters."

This is precisely what you can't say - FIDESZ turned out more than half of its 2006 voters; 95% of the MSZP voters in 2006 stayed at home. This is a level of differential turnout in a parliamentary by-election that is almost without precedent. The FIDESZ score is consistent with them turning out two and half million to vote for them in a national parliamentary election. The MSZP score is consistent with that of a party that has effectively ceased to be a serious contender for power. And this is in a district where - based on historic data - they should be especially strong.

Certainly if a party faces the kind of wipeout the MSZP appears to be confronted with there is no safe seat for it. But there is a common pattern to the electoral geography of European social democratic parties to which the distribution of MSZP support conforms exactly - namely it tends to be stronger in urban areas with some past of industrial employment. What is happening - and we have the evidence of the European election and the smattering of local government by-elections contested by the MSZP - is that their support is dramatically falling everywhere, but the fall is the highest in their previously strongest areas. Effectively their mass political base - that which has allowed them to top the poll in every election since 1994 - has vanished. They need some very large increases in wages and social benefits to have any hope of getting it back. And this is what they can't do. And in consequence FIDESZ is poised to win overwhelming because it will mobilize the same number of people it did in 2006, when its main opponent has effectively collapsed.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "And in consequence FIDESZ is poised to win overwhelming because it will mobilize the same number of people it did in 2006, when its main opponent has effectively collapsed."

I really think that you overstate the case. Yes, Fidesz managed to get about 50% of its 2006 voters to mobilize while MSZP couldn't. But that doesn't mean that all those who did stay away will vote for Fidesz or that they will stay at home next year as well. A lot can happen in between.

Mark

Éva: "I really think that you overstate the case."

We will know by next April if I am overstating the case or not. While a parliamentary election is never like a by-election or European elections normally there is a relationship between them and the larger parliamentary elections. They provide compelling information on underlying trends, and this one is a very clear one, and if anything has been hardening since spring 2008.

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