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October 23, 2009

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Mark

"To this day Hungarian historiography lacks a serious study of this nationalistic, anti-Semitic organization of university students."

You've hit here on a more general problem in the historiography, which is that the radical right still remains relatively poorly covered (though I admit things have been getting better in the past decade - this year, for example, Osiris have produced a valuable edited collection on the Hungarian right as a whole in the first half of the twentieth century - and there have a number of really interesting article length studies). To date the best monograph-length study of the Arrow Cross is only available in German, and was published twenty years ago (for a monograph-length study in Hungarian we have to go back forty-three years!) Given the contemporary relevance and the very really parallels between today and the 1930s, it is a shame that the historiography is so poor.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "You've hit here on a more general problem in the historiography, which is that the radical right still remains relatively poorly covered"

I must admit that I was astonished that nothing has been written about Turul. Not even in Andor Ladányi's old book about university students between 1919-1921! It's time for some young historian to start cracking! Fascinating subject.

Gábot

Actually the author in the collection mentioned by Mark published other pieces on specific events related to Turul and the university youth and the article itself was derived from a dissertation project. An archivist from the Zala Megyei Levéltár wrote a dissertation on the far right from an electoral perspective covering the tiny and not so tiny parties, their dissolution and merger etc. There is another dissertation in the making on the far right concerning their views and ideologies and the author published articles in Kommentár. It is far from being comprehensive but the topic is not so unpopular as it seems. However, what really lacks is a reconsideration of the right and the far right in the light of the results and products of fascism studies of the last decades. For example, astonishingly, one would hardly find a reference to Roger Griffins theory or to its critique etc., although personally I think it would be enlightening not only regarding interwar far right but even for understanding and interpreting the contemporary right as well.

Mark

Gábor: "the author in the collection mentioned by Mark published other pieces on specific events related to Turul and the university youth and the article itself was derived from a dissertation project."

Just for information, though the article doesn't substitute for a book-length study it is very useful, especially on the Turul's ideology. The reference is:

Róbert Kerepeszki, “A Turul Szövetség”, in, Ignác Romsics, A Magyar Jobboldali Hagyomány, 1900-1948, (Osiris: Budapest, 2009), 341-76

Gábor: "An archivist from the Zala Megyei Levéltár wrote a dissertation on the far right from an electoral perspective covering the tiny and not so tiny parties, their dissolution and merger etc."

Zoltán Paksy's work on electoral behaviour and the radical right is really outstanding and I think gives us real insight into who voted for the far right. It is a regional study though, and concentrates on western Transdanubia.

That having been said we are dealing with fragments, and the study of the radical right still sits in the shadow of the study of the inter-war mainstream right where considerable progress has been made in the last two decades. There is a need for work that covers the ground, as well as that which is narrowly focussed on its component parts.

I'm not too impressed myself with Griffin's work, but there is a need for greater engagement with the international literature. This isn't just because there is real scope for comparison with Italy, Austria, Romania, Slovakia, and Germany (which there clearly is), but because the international literature on the Hungarian right itself is scarcely referred to. Though Rudolf Paksa in his article on the far right in the 1930s in the book mentioned above does cite Margit Szöllösi-Janze's book on the Arrow Cross, it is rarely referred to in Hungary (and unavailable, as far as I know in Hungarian), despite the fact that it is the best available monograph on the movement. Furthermore, other innovative work, like Paul Hanebrink's on the churches and nationalism in inter-war Hungary doesn't seem to have sparked much debate in Hungary (though it certainly deserves to).

Gábor

Another strange aspect of this topic is that once there were attempts even for a comparative and theoretical study in Hungary, for example Ormos Mária's attempt (alone or with Miklós Incze) but somehow it faded away.

As for Hanebrink's book, at least I have read a very critical review of it from Pál Hatos, although I was also surprised that it has not incited too much interest. I fear church and nationalism bound together is a too sensitive topic for many...

Turul

Why label them Fascist or radical, just because the Turul believed in an alternative History which may have truth to it and the fact that they loved their ancestory, why in Hungary is this so Taboo? what are you trying to protect on this website?

Sandor

Turul (in Hungarian: turo): "Why label them Fascist or radical, just because the Turul believed in an alternative History which may have truth to it"

That is, my dear Turul (if this combination is possible at all), because people, who believe in alternative history, alternative order, alternative truth, and alternative society are commonly called nazis. We, humanity, have our own "version" of these things and the nazis have an alternative. That is why we call them nazis. Now, we do mean it as an insult and I hope, you will take it as such. However, if you are unhappy about being insulted for your stupid believes, you also have an alternative: you can get some education, so you would know what the fuck you are talking about, and then you can join humanity and understand what is happening in the world. That would go a long way to reduce the insults.

"why in Hungary is this so Taboo? what are you trying to protect on this website?"

Well, it is not a taboo, per se, it is just too embarrassing to say silly things like this, so, people with any sense don't feel like making an ass of themselves by doing so. And, as you might suspect, what we are trying to protect is common sense.
I know, you have never heard of it, nor would you be interested in it, that is why we are protecting it from you and your ilk.
I trust, you are satisfied with this answer.

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