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October 24, 2009

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Mark

"I remember the upheaval he caused when as prime minister he delivered a speech about the revolution and announced that 56 was a "bourgeois democratic revolution." "

Though this is obviously a myth in the sense of an attempt to appropriate a complex event for political purposes, Orbán was merely stating more baldly and crudely something that has been asserted by all governments since 1989 - that the roots of the democratic transition lie in 1956, and that a version of this "mythical" 1956 (up until the events of 2006) was used year in, year out to legitimate the post-1989 political system. And from this, I think, follows the most interesting thing about Friday - Friday was not just the fifty-third anniversary of the outbreak of the Revolution, but perhaps more significantly it was also the twentieth anniversary of the proclamation of Hungarian republic in 1989. That this anniversary went all but unmentioned is hugely significant, and I think is reflective of a sense in Hungarian public discourse that the post-1989 period is really now over, and that the "transition" has failed. In this connection I was incredibly struck by the tone, if not the content, of an interview with János M. Rainer in 168 Óra which has something of the feel of a "what went wrong?" inquiry to it (http://www.168ora.hu/itthon/rainer-m-janos-1956-rol-es-a-mult-kiserteteirol-45232.html)

"I talked to a friend yesterday from Hungary who is convinced that Jobbik might even receive 16% of the votes at the next elections"

I think the evidence is pretty clear that this is highly likely, as there is every indication that opinion pollsters have not corrected the problems they have had at the beginning of the year, and are still undercounting Jobbik support. The real question is whether they will push the MSZP into third place. My impression - having been in Hungary in recent weeks - gives me the horrible feeling that they will do even better than this 16%.

whoever

Jobbik supporters are certainly vocal, and there always seems to be a presence on street level. They're adept at exploiting the weakness of people's commitment to the political process, and connecting directly to people, using professional techniques more reminiscent of a workers organisation than anything else. This makes it hard to assess their general level of support in a national election.

However, having read the rambling and incoherent manifesto for the European Elections, one is forced to conclude they are very short on actual solutions and an actual programme. As a protest movement, it's not clear that they would survive contact with actual political power. This would depend on their ability to draft real policies from elsewhere onto their programme.

It may be too early to say whether Jobbik represent an existential threat or noise. The transformation of the political scene after next year may be so complete that the reasons for Jobbik's existence may be negated.

Pistefka

"I checked the current curriculum of the law school in Budapest where I could find only one or two subjects vaguely connected to history: history of the Hungarian constitution and legal history."

As fa as I can make out, (knowing some of the faculty) the courses run by ELTE's 'Chair of History of Law' are actually fairly comprehensive (although most students on them will just rote-learn a load of facts in typical Hungarian fashion.) The syllabus most students follow seems to run from Babylon to the present, so it can't go into too much detail! I know that some students do Masters and Phds in legal history at ELTE though - they seem to treat the subject more seriously than some Law schools. Much to the dismay of most of the students, I suspect!

I suspect the problem is that Orbán didn't pay much attention in those lectures, or the grey matter containing the facts he crammed for the exam has long since dissolved.

Eva S. Balogh

Pistefka: "the courses run by ELTE's 'Chair of History of Law' are actually fairly comprehensive."

I see. So, law students do have to take some courses in history but at the faculty of Arts. That is very much possible but what I remember of my university studies, critical thinking was an unknown phenomenon at ELTE.

And that reminds me of something. Yale University in the last couple of years has made available a number of undergraduate courses online. I decided to take a look at some that actually interest me under History, Classics, and Religious Studies. I found them worth listening to. I really enjoyed a course on the American civil war, and lately a new one on the New Testament. (Not from religious point of view but the New Testament as history.)

I don't want to advertise these courses, but you might want to take a look at some of them in order to see the difference between Hungarian and American way of teaching. I especially enjoyed Dale B. Martin who is teaching the New Testament course. He insists on "close and critical reading." I especially liked an exercise he made his students do: compare Paul's journeys as related in Acts as opposed to Paul's letters to the Galatians. The students did a miserable job, but during the lecture Professor Martin managed to teach them a thing or two about historical research.

In any case, visit, if you're interested, http://oyc.yale.edu/ and look for Professor Martin's course or any other that might sound interesting.

PhD Dissertation

Blogs are so informative where we get lots of information on any topic. Nice job keep it up!!

Pistefka

"So, law students do have to take some courses in history but at the faculty of Arts"

No, its actually part of the Law faculty - they have achair of comparative legal history.
I agree about the lack of encouragement of critical thinking - the way subjects are examined seems purely designed to test recall of facts and have students parrot out the answers their professors want to hear. Thats the impression I get at least (I studied History in the UK) - students don't seem to be expected to do their own reading, form opinions on a topic and then write cogent essays. At least not until they have to write adissertation - and by then I suspect the lack of practice is telling.

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