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November 05, 2009

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Sophist

"Hungarian extreme right loves the idea of Bashkiria as the original homeland"

I thought that the far right argued that the Hungarians (or their ancestors) had always lived in the Capathian basin (Atilla and all that): that the asiatic origins of the Magyars was a myth put about to undermine the legitimacy of the Hungarian state, and vindicate Trianon, etc...

kouvola

Greetings from Finland and thanks for the interesting article! I have a couple of questions for Hungarians:

Has anybody studied the (genetical) relations between Hungarians and their closest linguistic relatives, Khanty and Mansi people? And what a bout Finns/Estonians/Sami/those millions of finnic minorities in Russia?

Conserning Finns it might interesting, as the Finnish genes are very different from anything else: http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/306-the-genetic-map-of-europe/ (It wouldn't be so isolated if they had researched also the Baltics)

And why doesn't the Hungarian far right accept the Finno-Ugric theory? It's not glorious enough?

Katalin

"one of the three Jobbik EP members had a long and I hope fruitful conversation with the Kazakh representative to the European Union about the close relationship between Kazakhs and Hungarians."

Jobbik wants to make this supposed genetic relation a basis of their new foreign/economic policy. Finally they found their "real brothers" who'll embrace them on the basis of their shared genetic heritage. They want Hungary to become Europe's economic link to Central Asia, rather than being an "exploited servant state" of the EU.
I just found this German translation of their meeting with the Kazah embassador. These people are crazy.
http://pusztaranger.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ungarische-ausenpolitik-a-la-jobbik-ab-nach-kasachstan/

Pistefka

I have always been baffled by the way Hungarian nationalist types seem to shun the (rather convincingly proven)Finno-Ugric origin of the language. I think kuovola that you have got it spot on - not "glorious" enough. (Or perhaps its just tht they want to believe something radical and different just for the kuruc kudos of it.)

Although if you ask me the Finns have plenty of achievements to be proud of. (Probably more than the Bashkirs or Turkmens - I have never heard of a mobile phone designed by the Turkic tribes of central Asia.)

M2

Pistefka, you do not see the bigger picture. The Turkic tribes are but a stepping stone to a yet more glorious ancestry, the Sumerians. Through them, Christ is also a Hungarian. You will understand, of course, that the suppression of these obvious facts is a Napoleonic-Habsburg-Communist conspiracy in order to keep the Hungarians submissive and ignorant of the heroic deeds of their predecessors.

Odin's lost eye

Mr Kouvola, If you read Mr M2’s contribution to this article you will begin to understand where the ‘Rancid Right’ are coming from. They wish to create a myth that the ‘True Magyars’ are a unique people. They do not wish to be associated with a puny little people like the Suomi. Puny indeed? Look at http://www.winterwar.com/mainpage.htm by Sami Korhaven it is in English. Visit it Mr M2 and learn the truth! I have met quite a few Suomi in my time and they are good sailors! My wife, a Hungarian, was sea sick on Brighton pier. I am a mongrel English man and have no claim to be anything special.
No the neo-national socialists have to convince the people of Hungary that they are a very special people. This will lead them into the idea of the ‘Master Race’. The last time that people claimed to be that, we all know what happened. They and their allies (the Hungarians were one such) had to by slapped down one very hard by the ‘Untermench’.
As to the relationship between Hungarian and Sumerian is rather more than tenuous and I suspect based on the fact that both are agglutinative languages. Sumerian is a Language isolate that is one which does not belong to any family.
Oh by the way Mr M2 you say that * “Christ is also a Hungarian” no he would have been a little dark skinned Semitic Hebrew, and shock horror a Jew.

Pistefka

Odin's lost eye - turn your sarcasm detector back on.

Eva S. Balogh

Kuovola: "And why doesn't the Hungarian far right accept the Finno-Ugric theory? It's not glorious enough?"

Exactly. You know those fishermen and hunters! Not good enough. Delusions of grandeur.

Jaded

What strikes me most about this kind of pointless speculation about the origin of Hungarians is that it plays completely into the hands of the kind of ideologues who worship the concept of "nation". Surely the truly interesting historical questions are about the question of national identity and the process through which it was created? I spent an otherwise enjoyable Saturday afternoon at the Natural history museum last month. The exhibition of live snakes and various insects provided much amusement for my 4 year old companion. However I found the plentiful supply of exhibits speculating on the racial origins of the current inhabitants of the region quite offensive. I've never seen anything quite like it in any other natural history museum and I've visited quite a few. Even more shocking is the extraordinary juxtaposition of a black african charicature opposite the exhibit of african animals. Using the logic of this exhibition, if the museum ever decides to show the animals of the North American plains they will have to find a cigar store Indian to go with them.
One of the more sickening aspects of Hungarian society is its knee jerk racist attitudes. Perhaps I should not be surprised that the Natural History Museum seems determined to reinforce widespread ignorance and prejudice.

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