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January 23, 2010

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John T

While I agree that Orban's behaviour has often been ridiculous at times, it is the failure of the whole political "elite" that has caused the current malaise. But rather than the development of a pragmatic, sensible alternative, the only alternative at the moment is Jobbik. And Jobbik and it's programme are a reflection of the worst elements of the Hungarian physche, which I would summarise as follows (in no particular order):-

A victims mentality.

Unable to take responsibility or be accountable for their own actions - someone else is always to blame.

Always seeing things always as black and white, not considering there is often lots of grey.

An inflated opinion of their actual abilities.

An insular view.

Personal opinion will often trump or brazenly disregard actual facts (Orban is really good at this actually - look at his recent slurs against the IMF when discussing the deficit).

Immaturity.

Massive sulks.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that everyone in Hungary is lumbered with all of these traits. But in so many everyday life situations, especially in the political arena, you will see many of these traits exhibited at the same time and to me, it is a poisonous combination. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I wanted to get the point across.

Eva S. Balogh

John T: "Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I wanted to get the point across."

I think that this is a pretty good summary. Unfortunately.

Odin's lost eye

John T - I whole heartedly agree with your 8 points, but if I may I will add two more. These are: -
Firstly there is the problem of language. The average Hungarian does not understand that the Hungarian language is one which can not be learned adequately unless it is spoken as a child. (There is one language which can never be learned unless you speak it as a child it is Navaho India). This has at least two side effects. Firstly they regard non-Hungarian speakers as imbeciles –after all their children speak it.
Secondly the average Hungarian tends to disregard anything which is beyond their experience. I am trying to build a mechanical Tide prediction clock. They are afraid to ask what a Tide is. As a result Hungarians have damaged/picked up, moved and lost several major components of it.
I think this fear of ‘looking ignorant’ to a foreigner is the cause of your point of “An inflated opinion of their actual abilities” to which I am afraid I will have to ‘and their knowledge’.
Hungarians who have ‘been foreign’ even for a few weeks and have been fully exposed to a foreign culture improve magnificently. This seems to be truest if the exposure is the Anglo-Saxon world. As you are aware our good hostess on this blog is an émigré and spent some time in what I think ‘Sitting Bull’ described as ‘The Land of the Great White Mother before she crossed the ‘Medicine line’ to where she lives now.
I have one final carp is that Hungarian business folk will always try to ‘twist you’ and each other. This seems to be a test of ‘manhood’ for them

John T

Odin's lost eye - I think the point you make about language is important. I never really had the chance to learn Hungarian as a kid - I would pick up plenty of words while on holiday from listening to my family and when out and about. But I couldn't really have a decent conversation. So I paid to go on two summer schools and improve my understanding, mainly because I was desperate to talk to my aunts, uncles and cousins. So now I can have a reasonable conversation, though my written Hungarian is still limited. I also applied for Hungarian citizenship, so have dual nationality. But despite having a Hungarian surname, a passport and a better grasp of the language, I'm still introduced to visitors as being English by some members of my family.

Öcsi

John T wrote: "But rather than the development of a pragmatic, sensible alternative, the only alternative at the moment is Jobbik."

And Canada is getting ready for this eventuality by requiring Hungarians to obtain visas if they want to come to Canada.

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