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February 10, 2010

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Öcsi

"In Eastern Europe the anti-Roma prejudice is coupled with a distrust of the regime itself and with a general dissatisfaction with life in general. And, Political Capital adds, that combination can threaten the very stability of the regime."

I don't mean to nit-pick, but don't you mean "region?" If you meant "region," it's a significant difference.

Peter Koroly

Add to this Trianon and traditional antisemitism and the legend, that no decent real Hungarian (igazi magyar) collaborated with the Kádár-Regime and you have a better picture of what is happening in Hungary.
Of course one should not forget the cowardice of so many loud leftliberals, who advocated freedom for nazi speech.

NWO

Eva-

Poland is an interesting example. One big difference of course is that Poland recently went through a period where populist, nationalist right wing (ala FIDESZ) was in power. However, the PIS and the Kaczynskis were not too successful (though certainly not nearly as awful as the MSZP was in Hungary from 2002 onwards). In response to the "failures" of the PIS, the Poles have actually turned to a pretty orthodox conservative party which has done a fantastic job getting the country through the crisis period. The second big difference is of course the respective economies. In Poland, capitalism is working (at least over the past 5 years), unlike Hungary. If people are getting richer and seeing more of the world, they are likely to become less radicalized not more. If you want to solve the crisis of right wing extremism in Hungary, then put in place an economc framework that leads to growth and jobs and optimism.

Eva S. Balogh

Öcsi: "I don't mean to nit-pick, but don't you mean "region?" If you meant "region," it's a significant difference."

No. The "regime." Meaning democracy.

Lord Amexos

Run for the hills!! (if you are a liberal bolshevik) :-)

So how come that these "extremists" have gained so much popularity in these countries??

Are they born nazis and fascists??

THINK and don't believe everthing that these "Think Tanks" so conveniently spoon feed you!

ps: and beware of "experts" trying to inform you impartially*...usually they have an agenda on their mind... :-)


Cheers!

*can we say this of Eva??

John T

"ps: and beware of "experts" trying to inform you impartially*...usually they have an agenda on their mind... :-)"

And there was I thinking it was just someone expressing an opinion and people commenting on it :-)

PassingStranger

I have seen this report and it has some methodological issues. If Jobbik is far right, then so would Geert Wilder's Freedom Party in the Netherlands be. I believe they also can count on 20 % in the polls. I don't doubt Jobbik is on the march, but I think the international comparision is off track, and your friends are indeed right that growing exrremism is a European trend.

Eva S. Balogh

PassingStranger: "I have seen this report and it has some methodological issues. If Jobbik is far right, then so would Geert Wilder's Freedom Party in the Netherlands be. I believe they also can count on 20 % in the polls."

Political Capital has an explanation for that. In the Netherlands the far-right is only anti-Islam, anti-immigration. In Hungary the situation is different in the sense that the anti-Gypsy, anti-foreign attitudes are coupled with turning against the democratic regime itself. That is, in their opinion, unique in the Hungarian, Ukrainian, Buldarian situations.

Pistefka

NWO makes a good point about Poland - they have had first hand experience of populist parties - and once bitten twice shy.
In 2005 it was actually a coalition of PiS (a Fidesz style conservative party rather than real extremists) with small, ultra-conservative and populist right wing parties that got into power - not only PiS (Prawo is sprawiedliwosc -Law and Justice) but also the hardline Catholic LPR ("League of Polish Families") and "Self-Defence" - a populist farmers' party (something like the small holders party) whose members wear red and white striped ties.
Anyway the coalition only lasted a year or so, and PiS lost a lot of credibility from being associated with the fringe.
I wouldn't be surprised if Fidesz has taken note of this, which might explain their Jobbik bashing.

Leo

Comparing the support for right-wing extremism in eastern and western Europe we should not, I think, put Wilders on a par with Jobbik. In Holland the marching uniforms are found in miniscule organizations like the NVU, while Wilders is rather a soulmate of Orbán. You might think the formers radical views on Islam a big difference, but just try to image Fidesz´s reaction on massive immigration!

That being said, I tend to agree with Eva that the essence of right-wing populism in east and west is different. In the west it is mainly an immigration issue (not on the wane though). In Hungary the slogans may be the old fashioned ones (God and fatherland), but actually the issues are not clear at all.

Many Hungarians tried to explain to me their disgust with the present goverment, but on a rational level I find it difficult to understand. The facts are few, the arguments weak. The emotions, however, are overwhelming. The malaise in Hungary comes from the heart, from emotional sources that do not exist in the west.

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Joe Simon

The radical right, the Jobbik, is a real
danger in a democracy. Many disillusioned
people during the Gyurcsány-Bajnai years
turned to the Jobbik's simple message.
I still believe that Orbán is the right
choice to steer this country toward a
Western-style democracy
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Odin's Lost Eye

I am afraid that the peoples of ‘New Europe’ are politically somewhat naïve, but then real democracy is a total novelty in Hungary. We had our ‘go of fascism’ under the puritans in the Commonwealth Period.
With the invention of ‘Spin Doctors’, and ‘Political Sound bytes’ by New Labour in the U.K. it has become more difficult for even politically aware peoples to spot the demagogue.
There is something attractive to people in the idea of the ‘Messiah’ who will cure every one and make everything right.

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I have seen this report and it has some methodological issues. If Jobbik is far right, then so would Geert Wilder's Freedom Party in the Netherlands be. I believe they also can count on 20 % in the polls. I don't doubt Jobbik is on the march, but I think the international comparision is off track, and your friends are indeed right that growing exrremism is a European trend.

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