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February 22, 2010

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Mark

Yes, but what are the MSZP going to do to make all this happen? I have actually read the full programme ... and in my professional capacity I've also read a lot of five-year plans from the state socialist era. And, guess what? They're similar. They talk about which industries the government will develop, and how much real wages will rise over the plan period, in the belief that somehow either the government will do this (or in the MSZP's case, assume this will automatically happen).

Of course they are silent about 2009, because they've spent most of it supporting a government whose economic policy is based on the premise that Hungary's economic problems are a product of the irresponsible policies they themselves pursued (and that if they only correct these, magically confidence and those investors will return). This leaves them with a political problem, because (1) either Bajnai is right, in which case many of their claims about the 2002-8 period would have been better not made, or (2) they were managing just fine, in which case it wasn't necessary to support Bajnai (I believe in neither position).

But that aside one ought to really know from a programme what steps a party wants to take to solve the country's problems. So, how are they going to make the country - and their key industries - more competitive? No answer. How are they going to raise the employment rate? No clue. How are they going to pay for population ageing? By moderate pension increases and the preservation of the existing system - doesn't look too credible to me.

So, we are left with something that suggests the government can do everything and nothing - a sort of cross between a five-year plan and an attempt to forecast he weather in four years' time. Really, they should have followed FIDESZ and not issued a programme - at least that was more honest, because let's face it, the MSZP don't really have one either. They're just pretending they do.

Eva S. Balogh

Mark: "Really, they should have followed FIDESZ and not issued a programme - at least that was more honest, because let's face it, the MSZP don't really have one either. They're just pretending they do."

Because I haven't read the whole thing I can't really pass judgment. However, Tamás Mészáros in today's Újságíró Klub gave a glowing description of it. I just have to wait until tomorrow and decide whether you or Mészáros is right.

Thrasymachus

Not that accuracy's ever been a feature of this blog. But Jobbik's manifesto for the European Elections of 2009 was the one called "Magyarország a Magaroké," or 'Hungary belongs to the Hungarians.'

Their manifestio for the 2010 General election is called "Radikális Változás," or 'Radical Change.'

Details details... shows how much you've been paying attention, doesn't it? Well I suppose we can forgive you, the appearance of the szoci manifesto must have you skipping about like a giddy schoolgirl. So you'll forgive me if I don't linger for the appearance of any form of critical analysis.

Sandor

I for one, my dear Thrasymachus, not only forgive, but outright thank you for not lingering. What tender mercy!

Thrasymachus

@Sanyi
I live only to serve.
But I can understand your trepidation, Jobbik is after all the party that "abuses freedom and democracy," which is what Bajnai tells us.

And given that this is the man who had, on the same day, coordinated the dismantling of two decades of Hungarian free speech, and made thought-crime a reality in Hungary once again. Punishable by three years in prison, no less. Well...

He should know, shouldn't he?

Paul Hellyer

@Thrasymachus

In the interests of increasing the amount of accuracy on this blog, can you substantiate the claim that Bajnai "dismantl[ed] ... two decades of Hungarian free speech, and made thought-crime a reality in Hungary once again"?

Vándorló

@ESBalogh: When you look at cause and effect one would normally start by making it clear which things happen 'as a result of' (clear causal relationship) and those which happen 'despite' (no causal link). In the latter case there is clearly no relationship between the actions and outcomes. So is the case when looking at the results of government actions. GDP, earnings etc... would these have grown anyway and should they have grown more? What were the costs of such growth (bad debt, increased social division etc...)?

And can we expect anything to have been learnt by MSZP under Bajnai's leadership, mopping up the slops Gyurcsány left? Seems not 'Bajnai and the MSZP's clearly visible divisions' ("Bajnai és az MSZP látványos szakítása") http://hvg.hu/itthon/20100223_bajnai_gordon_mesterhazy_attila_mszp :

'In socialist circles there was the dilemma as to what extent they should support the achievements of Bajnai's government and how big a part the PM should play in the campaign. Well, ultimately Bajnai has a passive role, while the socialists prefer to go back to their 2002 campaigning based on promises and handouts. - according to Péter Krekó political analyst for HVG' ("A szocialisták körében volt egyfajta dilemma, hogy milyen mértékben támaszkodjanak kampányukban a Bajnai-kormány eredményeire, s mennyire vegyen részt a kormányfő a kampányban. Nos, utóbbiban Bajnai passzív szereplő, a szocialisták pedig inkább visszanyúltak a 2002-es osztogató, szociális ígérgetésen alapuló kampányhoz" - mondja Krekó Péter politikai elemző a hvg.hu-nak)

MSZP have spent most of the last years unpicking the damage their own policies have done. During their tenure they have spent more on supporting the privileged Buda tribe of Polo players (in the pretense it was for the Olympics) that the homeless throughout Hungary.

And the Roma, handicapped, underprivileged? Has social-equality gone up or down according to the OECD? Yes, that's right! Just taking the Roma what have the socialists done for them? They stopped collecting statistics on them, why? A cynical person might say because they knew that the intended to do nothing and 'no news is good news'. And they have done nothing for them haven't they? A Roma child who was starting school in 2002 aged 5 is now 13 and they have probably spent those formative years being segregated in remedial classes, despite laws that are meant to protect against such things. Because the MSZP has not enforced these laws nor provided support for schools and teachers. To the point where Roma are going to the EU courts for recognition of the damage the MSZP have done to them, their lives and their future. Moreover, over the Roma killings MSZP candidates were told to attend the party campaign meetings rather than go to the government committee into what is happening (back in Nov when of course the campaign was supposed not to have started). Worst of all, Jobbik actually have a policy on the Roma, whilst the MSZP? How appalling is that?

Let's look at the Government's approach to crisis management and their priorities for cuts. What have the Government done to get rid of their internal untaxed state privileges? The 'Government holiday resort' (e.g. Őszöd) paid for out of our taxpayers' central funds, but only open to the privileged is still there. The government have said they'll sell off some of their private resorts and hotels, but Őszöd is not amongst them. Daily rates have not changed since at least 2006, so the tax burden is ever more picked up by us the plebs. And which firm won the contract to manage these estates' garden etc...? Medgyessy's daughter's firm last time I looked. Nice work if you can get it. How ridiculous that an ex-communist state still has all this 20 years later.

How about honesty, obedience and adherence to the law or social and international standards? What happened with the radio contract thing (rádiógate as it was named), you clearly condoned the whole thing saying that if MSZP hadn't acted illegally then Fidesz would have got all the money and power. So you thought party politics was more important than adherence to the law. This leading to the embassies getting together to denounce Hungary's actions. It wasn't even in doubt that the law had been broken, head of ORTT Dr. Majtényi László refused to sign and stepped down rather than break the law. This was all detailed in a statement he issued ( www.ortt.hu/hirek.php?hir_id=457 ) which the courts upheld in full. These are the actions you condone and of which the government is rightly despised.

So, 'forward to the past' should be the socialists slogan.

n.b. I know this is a small thing, but last night I was speaking with a few friends that are Fidesz supporters and two of them said something I found pretty remarkable, particularly given people's normal blinkered reasoning in Hungary. They said if Bajnai were standing they would consider voting for his Government. Both are accountants who work for international auditing firms. These are Fidesz supporters willing to vote MSZP. Not something you hear every day. Anyway, this clearly won't happen and petty party politics is clearly planned and forecast to return. This is a much easier cover under which MSZP and Fidesz can to continue their joint laundering of state/EU assets.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul Hellyer: "In the interests of increasing the amount of accuracy on this blog, can you substantiate the claim that Bajnai "dismantl[ed] ... two decades of Hungarian free speech, and made thought-crime a reality in Hungary once again"?

I guess our T is referring here to parliament's passing a law yesterday that makes holocaust denial a punishable crime. The vote was 197 yeahs, 1 nay, and 142 abstentions. Fidesz members abstained.

Vándorló

@ESBalogh: I just thought I'd help you in answering my first point about cause and effect, on whether GDP growth was due to the government or despite government actions and on whether this could have been better etc...

HVG again publishes some advice coming from the OECD data which clearly shows that in real terms what is called the average purchasing power parity (PPP) has been stagnant in Hungary since, you guessed it, 2004. All through Gyurcsány's reign of torpor.

As they make clear: 'Hungary's market competitiveness was in tatters well before the economic crisis...' ("Magyarország versenyképessége már a válság előtt is romlott...") 'OECD advice for Hungary' ("OECD-ajánlások Magyarországnak") ref: http://hvg.hu/hvgfriss/2010.07/201007_oecdajanlasok_magyarorszagnak

It has the usual advice about tax, size of government (local and national), transparency of public contracts etc...

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