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April 29, 2010

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Vándorló

@ESBalogh: You condoned the MSZP-Fidesz actions over rádiógate that led to the resignation of an honest man, Majtényi László, over the scandal and now you are concerned that the puppet promoted in his place is continuing as expected?
MSZP has 8 clear years to clear up government and put these matters well beyond Fidesz's easy grasp. Instead they chose to work with Fidesz to stitch up the country, undermine democracy and spit in the face of honest people and their own laws.
I've detailed the faux efforts and dishonest cover Gyurcsány provided as a smoke screen to continue as usual - the international organisations (plural) that walked away appalled by the inaction, lack of transparency or just plain disdain for democratic principles.
Eight years, after which nothing changed. No-one feels themselves accountable, the people feel bitterly cheated and Orbán's actions just look like more of the same.
It is all completely disgusting and we know who to thank.

Eva S. Balogh

Vándorló: "You condoned the MSZP-Fidesz actions over rádiógate"

Condoned? I don't like when people distort my words. I said the following:

"Being a pragmatist, I wasn't especially upset about the "deal" if there was one. If the media law is written in such a way that it allows politics not just to interfere in but to direct the media outright and one party is taking full advantage of this situation then the other side must act accordingly. The other side is practically forced into making "deals" however distasteful that maybe."

I think I made it quite clear that the law itself is to blame that allows the media to be prey to politics. But at least there were two stations in question and an equitable "deal," however distasteful, could be made. This time there was only one station, the very last one in the capital city that would have been added to the numerous other right-wing outlets. It doesn't sound terribly fair to me.

Vándorló

@ESBalogh: I think it's unfair to say that I have attempted to distort your words when this is the first time you have deigned to respond to this question despite my repeated attempt to engage you on such matters. This is at least the third time I've raised this matter and the first time you have chosen to respond. Your central reasoning is that the law 'allowed' such 'deals'. As I stated in my comment on 23rd Feb 2010 on this blog "It wasn't even in doubt that the law had been broken, head of ORTT Dr. Majtényi László refused to sign and stepped down rather than break the law. This was all detailed in a statement he issued ( www.ortt.hu/hirek.php?hir_id=457 ) which the courts upheld in full."
These breaches of the law were all upheld when the case came to court. Gyurcsány and the whole MSZP remained silent on the whole matter. Only Bajnai spoke out, but he isn't MSZP anyway.

The question remains why MSZP condoned such 'deals'. You say this was necessary, how so? No-one else sees why a 'democratic' party needs to break the law. They were in power, why was it necessary? To whose benefit did they work? Themselves, their party or the people. Clue: It wasn't the latter.

But most of all, why did the MSZP repeatedly and deliberate ignore the advice of international organisations? Specifically, why were they forced to walk away from Gyurcsány in disgust? How many committees and 'efforts' did he launch on these issues? With what results?

Eight wasted years and now the wolves are back to pick over the carcass MSZP prepared for them. You reap what you sow.

Eva S. Balogh

Vandorló: "this is the first time you have deigned to respond to this question despite my repeated attempt to engage you on such matters."

And it was a mistake.

gio

"There is an overwhelmingly right-wing media in place in Hungary."

In what segment of the media?

Let's consider national political newspapers, for example. The number of copies sold in q4/2009 (latest data for daily averages):

Left:
Népszabadság 80.647
Népszava 18.107

Right:
Magyar Nemzet 47.804
Magyar Hírlap 14.686

Altogether 3 to 2 for the left. It is true that 10 years ago the ratio was about 4 to 1 for the left and the media hegemony of the left, inherited from communist times, has slowly melted. It was high time...

Vándorló

@ESBalogh: "And it was a mistake." ?
Here's what I find difficult to understand about your complaints about how ORTT are now acting:
1. There use to be an honest head of ORTT, one that was not politically partisan and even employed people sympathetic to Fidesz, though he had been appointed by Gyurcsány (you complained about this elsewhere on this blog).
2. He acted within the law and did what he was told to do. Namely, makes sure that the media laws are upheld and the media landscape cleaned up.
3. MSZP and Fidesz decided they didn't like the existing laws and deliberately and in full knowledge that they were breaking the laws decided to appoint their own politically connected media agents.
4. This forced the head of ORTT into a position he could not legally do anything else, within the law. As head of ORTT he is legally required to sign the contracts. But in signing the contracts he would have been breaking the law.
5. He did what any decent person would do: he refused, stepped down and detailed in full the legal reasons for his actions.
6. These details were available to all parties, to the media and to the political parties that had acted against the law.
7. These political parties continued with their actions anyway. They insisted that the new contracts be signed. For this Annamária Szalai was elevated to a higher position.
8. The result was that two politically linked radio stations gained contracts illegally with the full support of MSZP and Fidesz.
9. There was an international outcry. The US complained and heads of 7 embassies signed a joint letter of complaint. The president decided that rather than be concerned about the breach of the law, he disliked receiving complaints about how political parties act according to their own god made laws.
10. The former head of ORTT, the one forced to resign, took the case to court. He won the case on all counts. He had been right not to sign the contracts.
11. MSZP and Fidesz had indeed broken the law. The radio contracts were illegal.

The end situation was that Fidesz were encouraged and supported in acting outside of the law by MSZP. In this Annamária Szalai was promoted.

This is the same Annamária Szalai that you are now complaining about.

Attempting to be non-partisan for a second, do you not think that MSZP are also to blame for this? That they helped weaken the media laws?

Hint: Freedom House certainly thinks so, Hungary went down to places in the latest international survey as a result of the media double dealing.

Eva S. Balogh

Maybe you don't want to understand me. The law is at fault. It doesn't matter whether Majtényi is honest or not. If the law governing the ORTT is what it is then it makes no difference whether the chairman is honest or not.

As long as this law is in effect this practice will continue. But at least in the earlier instance there were two frequencies and therefore some kind of deal could be made between the parties. However, in this case there was only one frequency and that one was fixed in such a way that one party could benefit. That is my problem.

Vándorló

@ESBalogh: "As long as this law is in effect this practice will continue." The law was and is fine. The problem was the law was broken. That political parties have complete disdain for the law. That they act for their own gain and that of their parties' and care nothing for the rights of common people.
MSZP and Fidesz acted illegally. Not because of a bad law. They acted *outside the law*. The court case decided this to be the case.

It wasn't that the law was a bad one, it was that the political parties decided that they didn't like the law. The courts up held that the law was broken, the embassies complained that the law was broken and the head of ORTT resigned rather than be part of this illegal cabal.
MSZP and the morally bankrupt left joined forces with Fidesz to undermine any future claim to the moral high ground.

The main point in relation to your blog post is that Annamária Szalai would not be where she is to day were it not for MSZP indirectly helping her.

Eva S. Balogh

Vándorló: "The law was and is fine. The problem was the law was broken."

Not really. The problem is that the representatives of the parties are in charge of deciding who gets and who doesn't get frequency.

Why, the law's spirit at least not broken when they write the tender in such a way that they have only one station in mind and that station happens to be the Catholic Radio? That is what Annamária Szalai and her friends did. It is clear that the whole thing stinks with or without Majtényi.

John T

What disappoints me is that we should be encouraging a free media that is not so deeply entwined with the political parties. Sure, the newspapers / TV channels will doubtless support a party, as they do in the UK. The Daily Telegraph for example is known as the Torygraph for its heavy support of the Conservatives, but it's has been highly critical of the Tories on occasions (it led the campaign on the expenses scandal). But it is independent and people would not take kindly to the system that exists in Hungary, as there would be no critical analysis of what Government is doing. The BBC also has to operate under a charter where it is meant to be impartial.

Eva S. Balogh

John T.: "What disappoints me is that we should be encouraging a free media that is not so deeply entwined with the political parties."

Every organ has a certain outlook, liberal, conservative, green, whatever. The Hungarian right-wing papers, Magyar Nemzet, Magyar Hírlap are servile mouthpieces of Fidesz. Never one critical word can be read in these papers about Fidesz policies or politicians. Népszabadság is a liberal paper but much more balanced. Népszava calls itself a "szociáldemokrata napilap." After all, it was the official organ of the Magyar Szociáldemokrata Párt until 1948.

Everybody knows in the United States that The New York Times is a liberal paper, closer to the ideals of the Democratic Party while The Wall Street Journal is more conservative. There is nothing wrong with this. The trouble comes when newsmen become propagandists of a party and unfortunately that is the case in Hungary.

John T

Eva - thats my point. The politicians in Hungary meddle too much. MTV for instance should really be completely non-partisan as a state supported entity. The Government should provide money onlt - no other influence. Appointments to the CEO & other main positions should also be made by an independent body, that is properly accountable and transparent.

Going hand in hand with media reform though, the Civil Service should also be non-political, with professionals hired under an ethical code to serve the government / people regardless of the political party. There should be far less political appointees, just ministers and junior ministers really.

Eva S. Balogh

John T: "Eva - thats my point. The politicians in Hungary meddle too much. MTV for instance should really be completely non-partisan as a state supported entity."

Great, then we agree. By the way, the director in charge of news at MTV is leaving. I bet not on his own volition. Perhaps he was too balanced. I don't know, but I know that earlier he was parliamentary reporter for Népszabadság.

gio

"Népszabadság is a liberal paper but much more balanced."

Actually Népszabadság is the only party newspaper among the four national political dailies since it is partly owned by the Socialist (ex-communist) Party via its "Free Press Foundation" (hehe). People at Népszabadság are paid to promote the Socialist Party and that is what they actually do. It seems, Eva, that your ideal of balanced journalism is Socialist Party journalism.

Eva S. Balogh

Gio: "Actually Népszabadság is the only party newspaper among the four national political dailies since it is partly owned by the Socialist (ex-communist) Party via its "Free Press Foundation" (hehe"

Well, the "hehe" is misplaced here because you're entirely wrong. Nepszabadság is owned by the Swiss Ringier and has nothing to do whatsoever with MSZP

gio

See the article about Népszabadság in the Hungarian Wikipedia:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9pszabads%C3%A1g

The stake of MSZP in Népszabadság is 27 %, if I am right (have not checked).

Peregrine

Delurking, as someone who recently found your blog and enjoys reading it, even when disagreeing.

I wonder if you yourself really believed what you wrote about Hungarian media being overwhelmingly right-wing. It is clear that you have very strong biases in how you choose to interpret facts, and that is fine, but this smacks of willful misrepresentation of facts, which is not fine. I find it hard to believe that you were not aware of the statistics that gio posted (and if you were not, you should perhaps be more careful about pronouncing on the topic in the first place).

Eva S. Balogh

Well Peregrine, you are wrong. Moreover, I don't ever willfully distort facts. As a historian I would find that distasteful.

There is no question that almost 80-90% of the Hungarian media outlets by now are in the hands of those who support the right. Practically all the local papers in middle-size or smaller towns, for example. There are two daily papers serving the whole country but it is more important that the public television station is also in their hands. So is Duna TV. And there are two other television stations that are unabashadly Fidesz or even Jobbik supporters: HirTV and Echo TV. In addition, there are several weeklies. The Internet is full of right-wing online papers and almost no liberal electronic papers can be found.

There is no question that I'm right about the overwhelming presence of the right in the Hungarian media. It wasn't that way eight years ago but since then Orbán has been working very hard to get strong media backing.

John T

Peregrine et all - it serves nobodies interest for the media to follow (some slavishly) or be in the pocket of any political party. Otherwise, there is no critical / constructive analysis of party programmes, corruption, graft etc. Politicians need to be reminded that they are actually mere mortals like the rest of us.

Peregrine

Eva, I appreciate the reply. It leaves me puzzled, however.

"There are two daily papers serving the whole country." According to the European Journalism Centre, there are 10 national dailies (http://www.ejc.net/media_landscape/article/hungary/)

Of the significant ones, I count:
1. Népszabadság (Left)
2. Magyar Nemzet (Right)
3. Népszava (L)
4. Magyar Hírlap (R)
That's national "broadsheets" in order of magnitude of circulation.

Then there are the tabloids like Blikk and Bors, as well as Metro, that far outstrip the circulation of the above. Surely you don't claim that these are right-wing.

Duna TV, Hír TV and Echo TV are undoubtedly right-wing. They are far less popular, than, say, RTL Klub, one of whose flagship programmes is Heti Hetes, an out and out left-wing political talk-show in comic garb. If you have any data to back up the claim that the broadcast media is overwhelmingly right-wing, please share. I would be very interested, because my impression has been the exact opposite.

John T: on that I absolutely agree! I wasn't trying to make the point that it is good for the country to have the media evenly in the various parties' pockets; merely that I disagree that the media are overwhelmingly in the right-wing parties' pockets.

Peregrine

PS. Despite my handle, I am in no way related to Vándorló. ;)

Eva S. Balogh

Peregrine: "Duna TV, Hír TV and Echo TV are undoubtedly right-wing. They are far less popular, than, say, RTL Klub"

RTL Klub was just brought up by a future minister of Viktor Orbán. Just wait.

Blikk and Bors are tabloids and I don't consider them to be serious organs but even they are turning toward the right. Blikk has one long portrait of the Orbán family after the other. On the Internet, Index is on the right and we didn't mention papers that are published by the local governments mostly in Fidesz hands. Then, we mustn't forget about Helyi Théma which sounds absolutely horrific. Oh, yes, I forgot about InfoRadio.

I don't think I mentioned Magyar Demokrata (Bencsik), Magyar Fórum, now Vona's Barikád, the new literary weekly in which Orbán's speech at Kötcse appeared (I forgot its name). One can go on and on. Every media analyst agrees that Fidesz and the right in general has a commanding lead in the Hungarian media market.

Most people read the local papers mostly in the hands of Axel Springer which are without exception are on the right. That the situation.

Paul

Check out where the media allocated their attention in the election campaign. this is perhaps the best possible way to quantitatively assess media preferences, rather than instinctively ascribing a personal bias:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1311/520imgassistcustom.jpg

draw your own conclusions.

it will be interesting to see how various media outlets deal with jobbik, now that the total-boycott strategy (as illustrated clearly in this graph) is increasing untenable, and possibly even unprofitable. i don't expect to see them receive proportion time allocation anytime soon.

John T

Paul - To a fair degree, parties get coverage when they make news, so no doubt, when Jobbik do something newsworthy, their portion of the news coverage will increase. I'm sure that young Gabor, attention seeker that he is, will want to keep in the limelight anyway.

Peregrine

Eva, thank you again for the reply.

As an academic myself, the part on 'every media analyst agrees' without specific references is not particularly convincing (I do of course recognise that this is a blog written in your free time and not an academic publication, not even a newspaper). I am sure that every left wing media analyst agrees :)

Whyever would the tabloids not publish portraits of the Orbán family? It's pretty topical. An acquaintance had the misfortune of having to read tabloids on a daily basis for his work for years, and I am reliably informed that there were full of portraits of left-wingers, in fact the overall impression he had was always that the rag papers were much more favourable towards left wing politicians. So there ;) (anecdone not constituting evidence) Back to the serious point, once again, it's topical, and happens with whoever wins elections.

Just listing off right wing publications without left wing ones also strikes me as, how to put it as to not offend - odd? You mention some new literary weekly, why don't you mention ÉS? Why don't you mention HVG? The left wing portals? Also, I distinctly do not have the impression that local papers count for more in forming people's political opinions than the national media.

As for RTV, really, you can't claim on the basis of your future predictions that it is already boosting the right wing camp.

Paul, that graph would be more useful for our purposes if it presented the party air minutes replicating the political spectrum (ie grouping SZDSZ next to MSZP etc). Seems pretty balanced overall. (Content etc are another matter... and it's getting late and I still want to read Eva's more recent entries.)

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