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July 06, 2010

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Sandor

Orban and the Fidesz are making three mistakes in one.
Consider this golden maxim:
"Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
Abraham Lincoln"

The first mistake is that he fancied himself as a student of American history, without being aware of the above maxim.
The second is that by meddling with the Constitution, he is laying himself open to the whims of his eventual successors.
The third is that constitutional changes do not make the economy work any better, albeit what he really needs urgently is economic reform.
Fourth, ( I know, only promised three, but what can I do in the face of such aboundance?), the wasting of political capital on such ineffectual legislative baubles will soon suck them dry.
The process of struggling to be taken seriously has already began. Even if they are in denial.

Mark

I think Sándor's fourth identified mistake is by far the most serious. It strikes me there is considerable fear within the state bureaucracy over the extent of the personnel changes that is seriously de-stabilizing things. All the time the mortgage payments for middle class people are becoming more expensive. The communication lines in the government are utterly confused, and the government in a number of spheres - this is especially noticeable in economic policy - is making announcements without subjecting them to reality testing. This situation might continue over the summer when most people are not looking, but I doubt it can go on for very long, before they meet with a serious crisis.

I'm not surprised by their radicalism in the constitutional sphere; nor am I surprised by the fact that large sections of the state are being purged. I am surprised at how badly planned, chaotic, and frankly incompetent they are.

David

"I'm not surprised by their radicalism in the constitutional sphere; nor am I surprised by the fact that large sections of the state are being purged. I am surprised at how badly planned, chaotic, and frankly incompetent they are."

Unfortunately the post-election period has shown that Fidesz has been doing nothing over the last 8 years other than plotting revenge. They don't seem to have any well thought out plan or strategy for doing anything other than trying to keep their hold on power and the privilege that comes with it.

It is revealing that one of their first actions was to replace the national audit chief with a party stooge. This can only be a preparation for looting the taxpayer's coffers with impunity.

pgyzs

I could agree with what you wrote, however you seem to fail to see that these are all temporary modifications of the current constitution. We will have a new constitution in a couple of years (after a referendum I hope), in which these individual discrepancies will be a part of a unified system. Let's hope so. I'm not afraid that we'll switch to presidential system or kingdom, etc. what is usually written by left-wing publicists/commenters, but there is a lot of ways this country could work better even at level of the foundations. (and not because the current const. would be communist or there should be holy-crown ideology in it or etc. like that). On the other hand, I share your concern that much more power will be given to the reigning goverment, not just because Orbán (I'm far less disgusted by the guy than you, even though I don't like him all the time either), but because who knows who will have this authority in 20 or 40 years (constitutions usually last longer than a few electorate cycles), I just don't feel safe about it.

Back to the beginning, this practice is still not good and humiliates the whole notion of a constitution. I don't think there is no other way e.g. to get some of the astronomical severance packages back. Everyone knows who this tax is aimed at, and it is also clear that the easy sacking law is to get rid of the army of "parachuters" who were appointed in the last months of the Bajnai goverment for five-six years. I agree strongly with these goals (but of course not with doing it again in orange colour), but I still think there should have been another way and that changing the constitution every week is a bad solution.

I intentionally did not wrote about the "Media constitution", because I think we're on the same platform on this.

Alias3T

What army of parachuters? I can only think of a handful of appointees, some of them, like Adam Farkas at PSZAF, completely outstanding in their field.

Can you list some members of this army?

Eva S. Balogh

Alias3T: "What army of parachuters? I can only think of a handful of appointees, some of them, like Adam Farkas at PSZAF, completely outstanding in their field. Can you list some members of this army?"

I didn't want to bore the readers with an army of names that most likely mean nothing to them. However, just yesterday appeared an article in Népszabadság that lists all those who were fired or left because they knew that they would be kicked out. Here is the link: http://nol.hu/belfold/kiket_rugott_ki_eddig_az_orban-kormany_

Sandor

A copious and amusing list to be sure. I have no idea who the actual personages are.
But the list doesn't answer the claim that the last minute appointments were replaced. In fact many of these people had seemingly tenured positions for a definite period, from well before the ascendance of Bajnai.

pgyzs

These "army of parachuters" were under debate when Bajnai (who personally I respect) was still in office. I'm not at all talking about the first-liners like the mentioned Adam Farkas, although the functionality of PSZÁF is at least debatable in the past years, in the time of the financial crisis, but discussing this would lead us much off topic. Mentioning PSZÁF, just remember how Károly Szász's first reign ended.

I claim that the list of Népszabi is just a so-far list - if even complete (in fact it is very superficial just concentrating on the top cases) - while the process is still on. E.g. if you take a look at the list put together by the right-wing media e.g. Magyar Nemzet, etc. in the last few months of the Bajnai goverment the picture will be entirely different.

I also remember Heti Válasz puting together a fairly long list of "parachuters", I don't have time to search archives, but there seem to be bunch of people who has, if interested, if I find it online, I'll link it.

This is what this country is like, if you seek arguments from the left wing, you read Népszava/Népszabadság, watch ATV, if you want to argue against your buddies as a right winger, you read Magyar Hírlap, Magyar Nemzet, watch Hír Tv, etc. It is the hardest if you do not refuse to try to see the light, but after a while you develop a sense to read between the lines whatever you read. All I'm trying to say that it is at least dangerous to rely on one side of the media. Sad? Yes. Is sacking a lot of people with loyalty to the other side (and also some doing a good job, but you need the place for your man) exaggerated to replace them with your puppets? Absolutely. Did MSZP do the same in 2002? Of course (I have indirect personal experience, just as today for the Fidesz harvest). Would Fidesz also try to put parachuters wherever they could before an election they're likely to loose? I have no doubt at all.

Alias3T

Pgyzs - please, if you have a moment, try and track down that Heti Valasz article.

The truth is, I do pay fairly close attention to the Fidesz-linked media, and I truly saw nothing to substantiate the claim that there was a consistent policy of parachuting people in ahead of the elections - and that's why I'd be very interested to see the piece you cite.

pgyzs

Alias3T - I'll try my best, but the online archives of Heti Válasz is a nightmare and I'm not even sure it appeared anywhere else than the printed version. Perhaps I'll ask them directly by e-mail.

What I tried to say that the intentions behind these ad-hoc constitution changes are clear and I should not only write last time parachuters, since this applies to all the people with (supposed) MSZP-loyalty appointed during the eight years.

Eva S. Balogh

Pgyzs: ". E.g. if you take a look at the list put together by the right-wing media e.g. Magyar Nemzet, etc. in the last few months of the Bajnai goverment the picture will be entirely different."

The problem is that Magyar Nemzet is very unreliable. I just read somewhere that since 2002 Magyar Nemzet had to retract at least 200 times. And these cases came to surface only after the courts ordered retraction. I bet a lot of time people didn't even complain. Therefore, I'm very cautious when it comes to MN revelations.

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