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July 04, 2010

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David

"As we know, it was Thomas Jefferson who wrote most of the Declaration of Independence and Jefferson's beliefs were certainly not based on "strong faith." Jefferson, for example, didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus but viewed him as a "human teacher." His knowledge of science led him to reject all miracles, including the virgin birth and the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Jefferson felt that religion was a deeply private matter and therefore he didn't see any need for ministers or priests."

Jefferson's beliefs were not an orthodox form of Christianity, it does not follow from this that they were not a "strong faith"; he seems to have held to his beliefs quite strongly.

The Declaration of Independence could have been written in non-religious language, it wasn't. It is possible that the religious language was used as a mere metaphor, but this seems unlikely given that many of the Founding Fathers did have strong enough religious views; some orthodox Christian, others Deist.

The pursuit of happiness line seems more typical of Francis Hutcheson than John Locke. Hutcheson seems to have been more of an orthodox Chistian in the Presbyterian mode.

NWO

I was there, and I agree with you that Orban's speech was a confused and lame effort to interpret the American founding and to then apply those lessons to Hungary. Interestingly, what Orban also seems to have missed, is that even in his interpretation of the Declaration the power of Government is limited by fundamental, unalienable rights of the individual (whatever the source may be). In Hungary today, it appears that is not a lesson or a principle that Orban or FIDESZ are particularly invested in.

Mark

"Some historians, among them Paul Johnson"

Well Paul Johnson is only an historian in the senses that his BA is indeed in History, and he has written some works that are historical. His professional career has been as a journalist of fairly hard-line right-wing views (he has praised right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Franco in print). If Orban is indeed using Johnson has his historical reference point, one can only expect some fairly strange interpretations of History.

Sandor

Many of the founding fathers were outright atheists. If nobody else, at the very least we can be sure that Franklin and Pain were.

David

I'm not sure if Thomas Paine counts as a "Founding Father", but he was a deist, not an atheist. Franklin was nearer being a highly unorthodox Christian.

I doubt that any of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were atheists.

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