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July 31, 2010

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latefor

"There are two kinds of intelligence on this earth: that of people in general and another of Hungarians"- I love this, I truly love it! I feel good...soooo good! This is a real moral booster for the people. The question is: how are we all going to live up to this expectation?

John T

"There are two kinds of intelligence on this earth: that of people in general and another of Hungarians"

Of course, if such a phrase existed, it's unclear whether you'd take it is a compliment or an insult :-)

And if it were true, then you would have expected Hungary to have progressed a lot more than it has in the last 20 years, to take account of the massive intellectual advantage.

Lets face it, Hungary has plenty of clever, educated people just as every country in the world has.

But if it is a true saying, it's a shame that Hungary always seems to pick an idiot rather than an intellectual to lead it!

Eva S. Balogh

Someone sent me a link to an article by László Bartus, a Hungarian journalist who a few years ago emigrated to the United States and now is the editor-owner of Amerikai-Magyar Népszava, the oldest Hungarian newspaper in the United States. Laci is a brutally outspoken man and therefore I wasn't too surprised to read this piece written after he and his family visited Hungary this summer. Here it is: http://nepszava.com/index.php?topic=4455&page=4658

John T

Adding to my earlier post, intellectual ability wouldn't be at the top of my wishlist for a politician. There are other traits that a more important - honest, respect for others etc.

Jules

@Eva re the Nepszava article: Wow! This guy totally nailed the mentality. I have posted it to my Facebook page and sent it to a few people (Hungarian-Americans) who were absolutely beside themselves with JOY when OV was elected. My take from the article is not just that Orban will take us to a populist point of no return, but also, sadly, that the Hungarian mentality prevents Hungarians from electing leaders who who are willing and able to enact real austerity and/or growth measures.

fapomogacs

Isaac Asimov: “A persistent rumor has circulates in the USA: There are two intelligent races living on the surface of planet Earth: the standard people and the hungarians.”

source:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=13148.0

GDF

I think Asimov would not say " a persistent rumor has circulates".

I seem to remember that there was some remark of this type made among the scientist working on the first atomic bomb, many of them being of Hungarian origin. Most of those though would not be considered Hungarians by many of the Jobbik-FIDESZ, because they were Jewish.

Eva S. Balogh

GDF: "Most of those though would not be considered Hungarians by many of the Jobbik-FIDESZ, because they were Jewish."

Of course, that occurred to me also. But I took a look at the list from which fapomogacs quoted from. Not exactly a reliable source. A lot of junk about Hungarian-Sumerian linguistic rrelationship which is bunk.

Bummer

This is a better and more reliable source:

http://www.kfki.hu/tudtor/tudos1/martians.html

Eva S. Balogh

Honest, I don't care who said it. It is ridiculous and stupid thing to say that one nation's IQ is higher than others.

Alias3T

It's a well-known fact, tediously repeated, that the non-Hungarian scientists at Los Alamos used to talk about the many Hungarians - "Martians" - working on the project to build a fission bomb.

They were talking about the unintelligibility of the language these exiled Budapest Jews used to talk to each other in. There were plenty of good physicists in Los Alamos in 1944. I don't think the Hungarians stood out especially for their brilliance. Perhaps everyone just thought they were weirdos?

In any case, it's an amusing bon mot from 60 years ago, not an oft-repeated American English proverb.

But Orban does have a habit of making up "proverbs" used in other countries. And it's a tic shared by much of the Fidesz front line.

A few months ago, Kosa said in a speech that "in England, they say that a good campaign starts with the prime minister's oath of office." It's not a phrase I've ever heard. For that matter the PM doesn't swear an oath of office. He's ordered to get to work by the queen. But it fitted the occasion - Orban had just sworn his oath of office - and it maybe he thought it sounded more convincing if it was reported as a piece of homespun foreign wisdom. There's also the subtext: "I speak soooo many languages, I'm so worldly."

Tamas Kiss

During his first term in office as Prime Minister, Viktor Orban made up a fair collection of "homespun" foreign proverbs and sayings, one of them was the alleged Portuguese proverb which he used in one of his public speeches, namely: "One is glad over one's guests twice: first, when they arrive and second, when they leave" - Now, I have a close relative who is a teacher of Portuguese, and when asked about this 'Portuguese' proverb, this close relative of mine said: Bollocks, there is no such proverb in the Portuguese language, and an extended search of this 'proverb' on the Internet also produced no hits... This much about Viktor Orban rather colorful imagination and his credibility...:(

Tamas Kiss

Another /in/famous type of 'sayings' Viktor Orbán invented was the 'Dakota' saying. Upset by the opposition's repeated verbal attacks on him in Parliament while he was PM the first time around(1998-2002), rising from his chair in Parliament he once angrily said something like this: 'As for the outrageous allegations of the opposition, by way of a piece of advice, let me remind them of an old Dakota saying: 'When you notice that the horse on whose back you are sitting is dead, it's time for you to get off the horse's back'. It is slightly reminiscent of the true English saying: 'It's no use flogging a dead horse' - but brutally distorted and falsely attributed to the Dakota tribe of the American Indians. If I were a member of the Dakota tribe, I would certainly be offended....:(

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