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July 23, 2010

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Thrasymachus

Of course when Freedom of Speech was abolished in Hungary earlier this year, with holocaust (and now Communist crime) denial resulting in imprisonment... that wasn't the end of democracy.

When Freedom of Assembly was sytematically eroded following events on 23/10/06 or the dispersal of the spontaneous protest on 4th of July last year. (I recall reading the total delight in your blog post of the next day)... that wasn't the end of democracy.

With Freedom of Association now no longer in effect in Hungary following the Lex Gárda initiatives, no no... that wasn't the end of democracy.

And when György Budaházy and his dubious comrades were and are subject to extended periods of prison confinement (stretching into its second year?) in the absence of prosecution or trial or presentation of evidence or proper chain of custody... that wasn't the end of democracy.

But with the prospect of this last practise being possibly faced by Socialist politicians? Ah! Now THAT'S the end of democracy.

And while the above was happening, and being roundly applauded by politicians and commentators, and the likes of me warned that letting it happen at all would simply facilitate the creation of a society where this kind of authoritarianism would once again become the norm in Hungary?...

...Where it could happen to anyone?

Why we were dismissed in precisely the sort of disparaging manner that is about to follow this comment.

Paul

Open your eyes Eva. This madness of which you warn is already here - just ask budahazy. ive been waiting for years to see this 'evidence' against him, which is supposedly so conclusive. meanwhile he spends years of his life in a cell, without trial. your concern appears to be selective on this issue.

the socialists created this corrupt monster, fidesz is merely perfecting its operation to suits the party's own needs.

Eva S. Balogh

Paul:"Open your eyes Eva. This madness of which you warn is already here - just ask budahazy."

Come on, all Hungarian police investigations last for years. Ordinary murder cases too.

Odin's Lost Eye

““NO FREE MAN SHOULD BE IMPRISONED, DISPOSSESSED, OUTLAWED OR EXILED SAVE BY THE JUDGMENT OF HIS PEERS OR BY THE LAW OF THE LAND.”
These words were first written in the year 1215 on an insignificant little island in the river Thames. They are the basis of the fundamental charter of Human rights and are the underlying theme of articles 47 to 54 of the European charter of that name, although these rights have been much watered down in their present form. That is words have been omitted from the original form. Hungary and most of the EU use a form of ‘Corrpus Juris’. There is no ‘Habeas Corpus’ in those countries. The European form allows detention on accusation for a maximum of 6 months followed by a further 3 months (infinitely renewable) without the need to present any form of evidence at all or have a formal (represented) hearing in court.
Hum Ho! They can lock up (incommunicado) any one the do not like or who they feel does not like them. Where have I seen those sentiments mentioned before? Ah yes in the book by Anne Applebaum it is called ‘Gulag a History’. Oh and the words I started with? They come from a scruffy bit of parchment written in ‘Marian Latin’. It is called ‘MAGNA CARTA”, and the island? Oh it is called Runneymede. It pre dates the Hungarian the Bulla Auria (meaning gold/golden seal) of 1222 by some 7 years.
So the toads are ‘at it again’! may God forgive them, for I for one will have NO mercy on those who break those opening words.

Eva S. Balogh

Odin's lost eye: "The European form allows detention on accusation for a maximum of 6 months followed by a further 3 months (infinitely renewable) without the need to present any form of evidence at all or have a formal (represented) hearing in court."

This is exactly what's going on for some time now in Hungary. On the flimsiest charges people sit in jail for years without a trial. The latest case involves the accusation by a "private person" that the head of a company that belongs to the city of Budapest caused material damage to his firm because he allowed an outside company to buy rights to the use of natural gas for X amount of money while he knew that it was worth Y amount. Thus he caused his company a loss of 70 million forints. He was arrested and most likely will be locked up for God knows how long.

Thrasymachus

I feel compelled to add, for any other EU citizen who might think themselves able to view this crazy Hungarian criminal justice system with a sense of superiority, that thanks to the European Arrest Warrant YOU TOO could find yourself subject to this kind of treatement.

As happenned to two British businessmen who were only released after 17 weeks of detention following political pressure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8545028.stm

Odin's Lost Eye

Mr Thrasymachus I know this. It is caused as I said by the system called ‘Corrpus Juris’ aka the ‘Code Napoleon’. A system which has NO checks and balances what so ever. It depends on the integrity of those who run it. Do the current lot here have any integrity? Your answers please a postcard addressed to the ‘All Highest of Fidesz’
Those disgusting Anglo-Saxons (and their cousins on the other side of the great fish pond have different ideas). How dare a little scum bag of a pleb question the integrity of the Mighty One and All Highest of Fidesz with a writ of ‘Habeas Corpus’! What next? Charges of ‘Scurrilous Liable’?
No Mr Ticklemus do not answer, I do not want to turn the volume of my anger any louder.

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