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August 21, 2010

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Odin's Lost eye

May I correct you on the matter of sainted English kings? There are only two. Those are the Atheling Edward (the Confessor) and the Atheling St Edward the martyr. The others, St Edmund and was never Athelings of England only of East Anglia. Charles I (the headless) was a protestant (like me). He was head of the Curch in England and would have been a ‘Heretic and Anathema’ in Rome where the saint making rigmarole occurs. He is however venerated in the church of St Mary Magdalene in Magdalene Street (in that home of lost causes –and other lunacy) Oxford.
Apart from that, as the ‘Ingoldsby Legends’ proclaim in the ‘Jackdaw of Rheims’
“The Conclave determined to make him a Saint;
And on newly-made Saints and Popes, as you know,
It's the custom, at Rome, new names to bestow,
So they canonized him by the name of Jim Crow! “
“Hum Ho I rest my case
The Jackdaw is actually the bird of Matthias Corvinus – read the poem

Mark

Odin: "Charles I (the headless) was a protestant (like me). He was head of the Curch in England and would have been a ‘Heretic and Anathema’ in Rome where the saint making rigmarole occurs."

If you'll forgive me for making a correction of a correction. Charles I was an Anglican, which is not quite the same as being a protestant (indeed the civil war which resulted in his execution was fought partly, though not exclusively, over how far the Church of England should become a truly Protestant church). The Church of England does have a register of saints and does have the ability to canonize, though it does so rarely. I think Charles I is the only person to have been canonized by the Church of England (Odin is correct, however, that this is not recognized by Rome).

Odin's Lost eye

Mark - Actually I am of the Church of ‘N’ –Anglican- I was well aware that we had saints –but all of them we inherited from Rome and are old. My Favourite is St Neot (pronounced Newt) who I believe is the patron saint of alcohol. I was unaware that the Bishops of the Church in ‘England’ could Canonize any one. But if they did it does not count.

m

Hungary is clearly heading towards a restoration of the aristocracy to power. All today's dignitaries, will obviously not qualify. How can they be so naive? Not to speak about he socialists.

wolfi

Whoever/whatever Istvan was - the first thing I was told about him by my wife's young relatives yesterday was really informative:

He blinded one of his enemies and had molten lead poured in his ears (forgot the name) - real saintly behaviour ...

At least the younger generation can make fun about those times and the "great" catholic church and the way its followers massacred anyone who stood in their way ...

Eva S. Balogh

wolfi: "Whoever/whatever Istvan was - the first thing I was told about him by my wife's young relatives yesterday was really informative: He blinded one of his enemies and had molten lead poured in his ears (forgot the name) - real saintly behaviour ... At least the younger generation can make fun about those times and the "great" catholic church and the way its followers massacred anyone who stood in their way ..."

That's my hunch too. Hungarians will not buy that stuff.

Joe Simon

Why is the Spectrum so surprised at Hungarian politicians like Semjén és Schmitt glorifying St. Stephen, etc. Do not American presidents end their speeches by "God bless the USA"? Have not some presidents and senators called America God's own country? Under socialism, national symbols were largely suppressed.
Aug. 2O was simply called 'Alkotmány Ünnepe'. Truly I cannot see much difference between American and Hungarian politicians when it comes to patriotism.
'My country, right or wrong'. Is not this an American article of faith?

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