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September 01, 2010

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Pásztor Szilárd

Pathetic. You put the label "moderate conservatism" on people who agree with your anti-national, destructive views. People receive this label as they conform your unnatural standpoints, and lose it when they seem to contradict you. It has always been your tactic: never argue, never counter the arguments, just dismiss or praise people. Praise destructive ones, refer to them as "sovereign, standard-setting" to use their virtual or real acclaim to strengthen your otherwise completely unsupportable point, and diss others to just exclude them out of any type of conversation, claiming they are unworthy of it.

Accept it: your time is over in this poor country. You lost by a huge margin on the elections in the spring and your destructive pursuits will not have effect any more because the society most probably never votes your garniture into power again.

Pete H.

Lizard, perhaps you have only been reading this blog for short while. I have read several posts where she critics the left. They are no longer in power, so I wouldn't expect her to give them as much attention.

Looking forward to reading your blog over the coming months, Eva.

Pásztor Szilárd

Insect, such posts are all over the 'left-liberal' press and always have been. They haven't changed one bit in "tactic" and topics in the past 20 years. They are all alike.
One single person would be more than enough to write all these articles, instead they are a few thousand with exactly the same worn-out panels.

John T

Szilárd - mate, you are losing the plot her. As far as I know, Eva writes most of these articles, with a few contributors submitting them on occasions. But this is a small scale blog we are talking about, not some mass political movement. And what stops you from doing the same?

Pásztor Szilárd

John T: I'm referring to the fact that the posts on this blog are so exactly the same as what you can find in all newspapers and web sites that are considered "left"-wing in Hungary.
Look up the archives of Népszava or the former Magyar Hírlap, 168 Óra or any of those papers and you can find a carbon copy of the very few topics touched on this blog, with the same expressions, same wording, even maybe complete sentences, even from 10 or more years ago.

And you are right, nothing stops me from doing the same, except that besides my civil duties, I have a daytime job to do - I don't live off of writing such articles. But I do what I can, in these comments, to show the readers of this blog a much more widely accepted and considered point of view, according to which most of the posts here are based on heavy anti-Hungarian and anti-conservative bias that doesn't stop at expressing differing opinions (which is fine) but mainly operates with falsifying even basic facts (which is not fine) and drawing unreal and destructive parallels (like Orbán would be in any way comparable to Gömbös).

John T

Szilárd - I hardly think that Eva can make a living from this particular blog. But being able to express your opinion is a key princople of democracy. I (and clearly others) don't agree with some of Eva's viewpoints (I think she can be rather too forgiving of the failures of MSZP for example), but I appreciate the time she puts into writing the content. And, the articles stimulate some very good discussions.

I also think (and this is from wider experience, not just this thread) that Hungarians are too quick to label criticism (even if put forward constructively) as anti-Hungarian hatred.
I certainly don't hate Hungarians. I have a large number of relatives in the country and also friends. I want them to have a good, fulfilling life with as few problems as possible. And just as important, I'm Hungarian myself through descent. But, there are things that have happened / are happening in Hungary that I would be critical of and I will give my opinion on them. But that is all it is, an opinion - people can take it or leave it.

Pásztor Szilárd

John T: I'm no newcomer at all to such debates, they have been going on for two decades. And what we see from Eva and the like has been the same.
This is what may come through as a quick and simple labelling from my part - there is a lot of track record behind it.

John T

Szilárd - So are you suggesting that opposing views shouldn't be put foward? They might be right, they might be wrong, but they should certainly be aired. Clearly, you disagree with most of the viewpoints expressed. But its not healthy for democracy if different viewpoints are stiffled or people simply vilify the messenger without constructively discussing the issues raised.

From your posts, you clearly welcome the new government. But are you going to support everything they do without question? Or are you going to be critical of them on occasions too? The best democracies work where there is health debate in the policy making process and where people can challenge rationally.

One of my worries about Hungary (and this has applied to most administrations since 1989) is that when the new government comes in, they limit the scope for debate and challenge, by filling jobs with their own supporters, regardless of how qualified they are. And compared to the UK for instance, there is a lot more meddling with the media. I firmly believe the media should be independent of political parties, otherwise they are nothing other than mouthpieces for the party. Again, in the UK, newspapers will express support for a party (the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail traditionally support the Conservaties while the Daily Mirror and Guardian have supported Labour). However, because they are still independent, they do strongly criticise all parties and have often changed "allegiance" where they believe it is right to do so. And if the ruling parties control the media, it lessens the chance for alternative opinions to be voiced or for new parties to get established. As you know, I have a very low opinion of all the current political parties in Hungary. I think there needs to be new blood coming through, that is aware of how the world works and that recognises we are living in 2010, not the past and where sensible co-operation achieves more than division. However, for a party to get established, they need to get their voice heard. I doubt that any grass roots centrist party would get a fair hearing in the established media in Hungary now.

Pásztor Szilárd

John T: to say that I wouldn't want different opinions to be expressed couldn't be farther from the truth. For example, I'm very open to any economic debate, or any other topic that may arise between people capable of highbrow discussion.

The only things I'm not open to are the long worn-out vilifications towards the Hungarian so-called "right-wing". The discrediting statements I'm referring to are, I must sadly say, very common and well-known to mindful followers of Hungarian politics and media, and a very characteristic collection of these can be found on this blog and everywhere where this new "Galamus group" - with seemingly existent financial support - is expressing opinions.
To name one such worn-out panel, the ever recurring outrageous comparison of the moderate Hungarian right to the Nazis easily qualifies. And such a comparison is usually made by the very persons who, while having been links in the chain of the communist regime, are playing the democratic teacher now.

About the parties, and your question: yes I certainly welcome the new government as they are an entirely different class and company than the basically and inherently anti-democratic and vocationally inept "socialists".
And I'm far from being a loyal supporter. It just seems that the current opposition is completely unable to hit the spot of truth with their critics. The problems are elsewhere than where they, ineptly again, see it: it's the rivalry within the governmental structure, or the problem with some inappropriate candidates for the local elections that should be tackled.

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