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November 03, 2010

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Kevin Moore

Readers must be extremely puzzled about the last sentence if this post. Now how could they say anything to it? I think you'd better delete that sentence, or you leave your well-conditioned readers confused.

Until then, I suggest readers concentrate on the first paragraph only and start to acclaim it.

Julie

I'm surprised that there's such a large Chinese population in Hungary. Are there statistics on whether they've been sent their by their companies, or if they're regular immigrants?

GW

Julie,

Neither/nor.

Around 2001, the German weekly Die Zeit ran a major article on the Chinese in Hungary and it corresponded closely to my own experience with the Hungarian/Chinese community. At that point in time, at least, there was very little oversight on the part of the Hungarian govenment, with the Chinese markets self-managed and policed (the Hungarian police has no officers with Chinese language skills), invisible to tax authorities, yet providing a vital stream of cheap products to the Hungarian public, especially clothing. The number of visas for Chinese in Hungary was frozen in 1992 at and has not changed since then, with the visas and conditions of stay apparently managed within the Chinese community itself, i.e. it is not unusual that if a Chinese person dies in Hungary, the death is handled internally, without coroner registration and the visa is sold to a new person in China. The official number of Chinese, with Visas, is usually given as 9,000 to 10,000, police estimates of the actual population are 30,000 to 40,000, and it is unclear how many of the ca 50,000 who were in Budapest prior to the visa freeze in 1992 remained, returned to China, or went elsewhere in Europe. The trade in visas and "employment" (read contractual servitude, working for x years time in return for the visa and airfare) for Chinese in Hungary is highly organized but complete opaque to the Hungarian state. The Chinese population includes many people from non-Han ethnic groups, particularly Koreans, and this is in addition to ethnic Chinese from Vietnam, Indonesia or the Philippines; and for many of them, the visa to Hungary is seen as the only opportunity to enter the European workforce.

GW

Kevin Moore,

I'm not puzzled by the ironic last sentence at all. Hungary definitely requires foreign investment if it is to have any significant economic growth and it appears that the government has a preference for investment from Russia or Chinese to investments from western democracies. I would be very interested to learn how you view this preference, especially, for example, extending a formal relationship from FIDESZ to the Chinese Communist Party. I just can't square that development with FIDESZ's domestic political practices, can you?

Adele

It is rather ironic that Orban is reaching out to China for economic support, but it does make sense. Fidesz has spent a lot of time blaming western institutions for the country's problems. Orban knows that Hungary is in dire need of fiscal stimulus, but he cannot afford politically to appeal to western big businesses. Furthermore, Fidesz's political rhetoric and economic policies are making those businesses hesitate before investing in Hungary. China, the giant on the other end of the block, is an appealing alternative.

Odin's Lost eye

Adele, It is no surprise to me that Fidesz who state that they are ‘Anti-Communist’ to try to get closer to the Chinese Government.

One of the big problems that America and the West has had with the Chinese is that they (the West) forced Mao Zse-Dung into the arms of the Russian Communists (Starlin and Co) by the American support for General Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang in 1947-8.

The Government of China never really changes, Ok the names and people change but not the system. The system is hierarchical, unelected, socialist and nationalistic and (partly corrupt). The people do not really matter they are just expected to co-operate. The Government suppresses dissent by force and by raising the standard of living by a few grains of rice. Just as it did under the 'Emperors'.

Ring any bells?

No well it should. Compare it to that which Fidesz wishes to be.

Kevin Moore

Just a quick off-topic note: another top-ranking former governmental guy arrested:

http://www.mno.hu/portal/746272

"Fülöp Benedek, former state secretary of the Ministry of Agriculture, former deputy CEO of the National Assets Handler Institute arrested by the Budapest Investigation Prosecution on charge of misappropriation of more than 30 million HUF and six instances of forgery of private document."

Surely this is just one more example of Fidesz controlling the Prosecution! 8)

Paul

Adele | November 04, 2010 at 11:37 AM - an accurate and concise summing up.

OV is busilly painting himself into a corner entirely of his own making. I only wish I didn't have family (and money) in Hungary, then I could just sit back and enjoy this pantomine.


Talking of which, it's interesting that, despite Kevin/Szilárd's sudden change in English and style, he still doesn't seem to have grasped irony.

And, funnily enough, not understanding irony seems to be one of the signature traits of Fidesz.

Could there be any connection, I wonder?


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