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November 25, 2010

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NWO

The European Commission is spineless. The EC/EU have all the leverage given Hungary will assume the Presidency for 6 months from January 1. It is clear to me at least that Hungary should forfeit this position. The Government is lawless and irresponsible. That the Hungary will suffer very long term is without question. Whether there is much collateral damage to the rest of Europe is an open question. There is absolutely no way the country should get the honor or responsibility of the EU Presidency. This will not happen, however. Senior members of the Government should be actively shunned, like Haider and Austria were, and a real political price should be paid. This also will not happen.
In the end, what will kill Hungary is that it is small and irrelevant. Capital will flee. Forint will sink. More ofthe educated and well off will leave (this year more than 50% of all the Hungarians graduating from medical school will seek to work abroad). Hungary will be treated like the always drunk uncle at a family gathering. Shoved in the corner away from the guests. Problem is this is can be a slow and painful way to go, when a rapid crash landing is what is called for.
In the meantime, Orban will tell the people that all they are doing is cleaning up the mess of the communists (and the people will it seems for awhile at least believe him), while he does his best to recreate the closest thing to a lawless, non true democratic state in Central Europe since 1989.

whoever

But what NWO and Eva seem to fail to acknowledge, is that the previously-applied version of development, let's say the era between 1995 and 2009, which was largely based on FDI - also seems to be broken, and an economic approach based solely on this has become politically unacceptable. Ireland being a case in point. If all you want is a return to the political economy of 2006-2009, then I am afraid you will not meet success.

NWO

Whatever-

You are correct. The old model of economic development was not entirely successful, and proper regulation was lacking but is essential in a successful market economy.

My issue with the policies of the Government are manifold, but the fundamental issues that are now front and center in Hungary are not about economic policy, but about the rule of law and the nature of democracy. Fundamentally, democracy is not just about majority rule. And a political system where all checks and balances are removed and the law is only applicable to the extent the Government at the moment likes it and institutions only exist to the extent they do the Government's bidding is, is not in any sense a true healthy democracy. It is inevitably an autocracy.
As for economic policy, the Government's strategy is basically to fund a broken welfare state by usurping private assets of the population and levying ridiculous levels of tax on major investors while shielding friends and interests of the Government. Somehow I do not see that as a viable long term strategy. But what do I know?

Kirsten

Dear Eva,

it is tempting to hope that the EU could change matters but would it not be considered inappropriate ("not democratic") by most Hungarians as the support for Orban (despite all his moves) is still fairly strong? Or did that change in the past few days? I always thought that a possible route could be that some Hungarian citizes address the European Court of Justice that they are denied rights that Hungary has committed to in the accession treaty. But that EU officials try to rectify matters in Hungary that (apparently) do not trouble a substantial part of Hungarian citizens cannot be successful (even with best plans and intentions) as long as the support from within for Orban (perhaps not with the pensions but with Trianon, "bad communists" etc.) and the national case prevails.

Odin's lost eye

NWO – I fear you are right. The Hedge Funds etc. are using some of the monies from the various attempts of Quantative Easing to speculate against the Euro. The pickings here are large if you can almost destroy it. The rest of the Quantitive Easing is being lent to the emerging economies rather than being lent to their own people.

Once they have made their killing from the Euro the speculators will then attack the Pound Stirling and the Danish Krona.

Eventually they will go for the Hungarian Forint which I have read is some 35 to 45% over valued. But this is pretty small beer but a very easy target to attack.

The present outfit in power (I will not call it a Government) seems to regard inward investment as a source of revenue (some of it for their own personal use). This will slow down the current work in progress and delay future start ups.

Professor you write ** “It is all very nice that the European Union finds all this worrisome, but we will see whether they do more than wring their hands, whether they will tell Viktor Orbán to cease and desist. Because it seems that he understands only the same kinds of threats he levels against his "subjects." **

I am certain that The EU in general and the Commission in particular have been sending messages, letters other and embassies expressing their unease. Unlike the ‘Mighty One’ Europe does not like, or use, until push comes to shove, megaphone diplomacy.

Part of the solution will be to by-pass Hungary in the rotating presidency but this would annoy the Hungarian public who see only the 'appearance' and not the 'substance'. I think it more likely that they will allow the ‘Mighty One’ and his doings to become the focus of the European tabloid media. It is called ‘giving him enough rope to hang himself’. If the ‘Mighty One’ does ‘top’ himself, politically that is, what then?
I cannot see him being welcomed at No10 (Downing street) although he has meetings with the German Chancellor and the President of France, but this was before the latest shenanigans. He has given the Hungarians more than enough phantom enemies to hate for the moment and that at the Koscma level will keep him in power.

Professor you remark almost in passing that ** “It is illegal to enact laws retroactively”. Oh yes it is indeed. It is one of the fundamental laws ot the whole ‘EU’. The fines, damages, and other penalties from the European Court will make several telephone number look very small.


Eva S. Balogh

Responding to Kirsten. The latest polls still show strong support although somewhat less than a month ago. But we must remember that the current polls are about two weeks old. They had been taken before the coup against the prive pension plans took place.

My feeling is that the mood is changing. For example, tomorrow MSZP + Gyurcsany's Democratic Coalition + Hungarian Democratic Charta will hold a gathering which will be held in a sport arena able to hold 10,000. People who wanted to attend had to get tickets. It turned out that there were more applicants than seats. The overflow will be able to see the event on monitors. A month ago I don't think that MSZP would have been able to get together a large crowd like that.

People who phone Bolgár report that many friends and acquaintances who voted for Fidesz are very disappointed.

Most political analysts expect a real change in public sentiment sometime in the spring. By that time people will get their paychecks and 80% of the people will see no difference or will receive slightly less money. I just read that unemployment is still 10.9%, exactly the same as in the last three months.

As for the EU. The nationalists who voted for Fidesz are no friends of the EU and were very pleased when Orbán snubbed the IMF. They always love the extra taxation on foreign firms. I'm almost sure that they blame the EU for the the pension fiasco as well. If the EU would have allowed Hungary to calculate into the deficit the monies currently on private accounts then, they claim, Orbán wouldn't have had to resort to such a move.

As for the European Court of Justice. My understanding is that people are planning to go there with their grievances but first they will turn to the Constitutional Court. Of course it is very possible that the Court will simply say that they have no jurisdiction in this case any more.

T. Sanyi

Although disliking the development in Hungary, I don't think the EU is the right actor to take steps here. Official steps against a member country need to have a thorough legal basis (at least if we really want to defend the principle of rule-of-law). It doesn't matter, if the Hungarian government violates Hungarian (constitutional) law. For the EU to get active, they have to violate EU law. And indeed, the way to European jurisdiction is long and takes time, as you have to go through all levels of national jurisdiction first.
Pragmatically I also wouldn't like symbolic measures. It didn't work in Austria in 2000 and I'm afraid it only helps the (ultra) right in Hungary.

Odin's lost eye

Mr Sanyi. You are quite correct in that the EU must have a thorough legal basis for their actions. That is why pressure is being put (and ignored by the Mighty One) ‘sotto-voce’. I do not think that the Hungarian Constitutional court will act. If it does it will have its budget cut to 10HuF etc. No I am afraid it will be up to individual to sue the Hungarian Government for ‘Breach of Contract’.

What surprises me is that the Hungarian Authorities (it is no longer a Parliament) has not passed a law which says that you cannot sue anyone in government or the ministry/minister for any form of perceived wrong doing, and to do so or to attempt to do so is a criminal offence punishable by summary justice. They will have add that this law is outside the jurisdiction of the Constitutional Court (or any other court come to that). That should scupper any nonsense of litigation. Since you cannot sue in Hungary it cannot go to the European Court, Job done!

Professor whilst I will agree with you about the case of Austria, Hungary is different. It receives large sums of European money from the development funds. Any half competent bureaucrat can delay (for a very long time) such payments.

Hank

In the end, the Hungarians themselves will have to do away with Orbán, one way or the other.
But EU pressure helps: no megaphone politics, but diplomacy, criticism, shunning meetings with Orbán when Hungary is EU president in the first half of 2011 (that will be a very new and interesting experience for Brussels)and maybe even doing something with payments and refusing to come to assistance if things go wrong financially (and they will)unless certain conditions are met etc. All in all, I think the EU has lots of instruments to put pressure on Hungary.
As do markets: they are seeing Hungary more and more as a serious risk. A downgrade of Hungarian bonds to junk statusis around the corner. The forint will slide, taking loans will be more and more expensive, investment is already strating to dry up. Again, a lot of pressure making the realisation of Orbán and Matolcsy's irresponsible economic adventure less and less unlikely.
And yes, slowly but surely there will be more and more protest, not only from the streets (trade unions, employees), but also within Fidesz. Already, conservative constitutional experts are outraged, as are many conservative economists and analysts. At some point, even conservative politicians might have had enough and we can, I hope, move on to the scenario that has been playing out in Poland (where the Kazcinsky's were sidelined by decent conservatives) and that is evolving now in Italy (where Fini tries to sideline Berlusconi).
As for a time line, that is unpredictable: it can be spring, but it might be only in two or three years, or even after the 2014 elections if they are held, at all. The more time it takes, the more serious damage will have been done: to the economy, to the social fabric, to the institutions of democracy. Repairing all that will, again, take years.

David

The main problem facing the EU at the minute seems to be the effort to shore up the Euro against possible collapse. Hungary, at the moment, is well down the list of priorities so don't expect much action from the European Commission for the moment. Maybe in a year or two when Orban runs out of short term fixes and the budget becomes critical again the attention will return. By then who knows what the European economy will be like.

george t

Not unlike any other country that has fallen for increased privatization of public goods (Egypt comes to mind as an extreme case), whereby the wealth generated by a nation is allowed to be channeled into private hands.

It is unfortunate that now the government is 'compelled' to nationalize pensions to make up the difference extracted by multinational corporations over the last 20 years. Extracted through the lobbying for favourable tax regimes, development grants, and the opportunity for multinationals to relocate business divisions to minimize tax burdens.

The scapegoat for any nation that has embraced capitalism uncritically is a government who formulates policies that support wealth creation at the expense of social and economic stability for the absolute bulk of its citizens.

In other words it's only the fault of government insofar as it buys into a privatization ethos, the bulk of indictment rests on multinational's collusion with governments, the 'moral' imperative to maximize profit combined with the unassailable right to private property, and the outsourcing model that uses borders to avoid giving back to the communities that funded a business's growth and expansion.

Hence the real need today for the nationalization of key industrial sectors: steel, banking, auto, etc., otherwise what has been evidenced across N. Africa will become increasingly the global norm.

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