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November 30, 2010

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Jo Peattie

A very sad state of affairs. Is discussion about the "news" allowed? What next, blogs ?

Eva S. Balogh


Jo Peatttie: "A very sad state of affairs. Is discussion about the "news" allowed? What next, blogs ?"

To tell you, I don't have any idea. I remember a discussion about blogs and the example the Fidesz politician gave was some blog on food. Certainly, he said, there will be no problem there. The question is whether blogs about politics will be a problem or not. I assume, yes.

Eva S. Balogh

Jo Peatttie: "A very sad state of affairs. Is discussion about the "news" allowed? What next, blogs ?"

To tell you I don't have any idea. I remember a discussion about the blogs and the example the Fidesz politician gave was some blog about food. Certainly, he said, there will be no problem there. The question is whether blogs about politics will be allowed or not.

Minusio

Fidesz is slow. The nazis needed less than four months for this type of "Gleichschaltung" (as "bringing into line"). But basically Orbán's aparatshiks do what they promised to do - like Hitler did. So I don't understand the surprised exaltation now. Even before Orbán came to power he said that they had blueprints ready in the drawer for all they wanted to do. Now they are pulling the blueprints out, one after the other.

I ended my comment on the Poland vs. Hungary post with the expectation that Hungary would soon rather be compared to Belarus than to Poland. Regarding the freedom of the media this comparison is now already more appropriate.

"But that's not the end, that's not even the beginning of the end, it is just the end of the beginning." (Churchill, born November 30, 136 years ago.)

GDF

'One must go east which, I guess, is fine with Viktor Orbán who said not long ago that, although Hungary belongs to the west, lately the winds come from the east and "our sails must be adjusted accordingly." '

This reminds me the times when Ceausescu returned from his trip to North Korea and started implementing what he had experienced there. It is not the first time that Orban makes me think of the Romanian dictator.

By the way, I think the joke with the parrot is even older than the 1960s. It used to be about a small bag of diamonds...

Odin's Lost Eye

Why oh why do not those people who are opposed to the Fidesz nonsense do something about it?

Instead of the ‘woe woe, misery me and lackaday’ get on and use the tools that Europe has given you. I know that all of the EU sites are in English and some of the Hungarian contributors to this site speak very good English. They can read and understand them. There were some of which were in Hungarian but these now seem to have vanished.

Use these rights, petition the European Parliament to review the new Hungarian media laws to see if they (or any part of them) breech Article 10 of the European Charter of Human Rights . You can do it online. All you need is to go to www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=49

You will find all you need to submit your petition, which can be in Hungarian or any other official European language. You will get a reply which will tell you what is happening. Oh it takes a few months but then ‘The mills of God (and Europe) grind slow but grind exceeding fine’.

The longer this nonsense is allowed to go on the bigger trouble Hungary will find its self in and the greater the fine will be.

Use these rights or has some confounded foreigner go to do it for you!

Kevin Moore

Oh yes, the freedom of press is gone, evidence to it is this blog, or weeklies as Magyar Narancs, 168 Óra, Élet és Irodalom, HVG, Rubicon, Szombat, Hetek, or Figyelő, all of these avid Fidesz-hater papers just exist as a coincidence...
LOL

Eva S. Balogh

Kevin Moore: "the freedom of press is gone, evidence to it is this blog, or weeklies as Magyar Narancs, 168 Óra, Élet és Irodalom, HVG, Rubicon, Szombat, Hetek, or Figyelő, all of these avid Fidesz-hater papers just exist as a coincidence... LOL"

May I remind you that the law hasn't been passed yet?

John T

Kevin - I wish you'd just take a step back and think. No one who supports the principles of democracy or freedom of expression can feel comfortable with this law. If the MSZP had introduced it, you would no doubt have protested bitterly. And you know what, you'd have been right to protest. But you don't seem to care about the principles that are being threatened here.

Of course, if Orban had more confidence in his programme, he wouldn't need to have a law like this.

Quite frankly, the events of the last few weeks has been like watching an episode of The Apprentice. Trouble is, there isn't a Lord Sugar on hand to say "you're fired".

kormos

" then follows Annamária Szalai, who is truly one of the least likeable people on the face of the earth"
"It was Ildikó Lendvai who summed up MSZP's reaction to the proposal. She is a master with words and thus comes up with wonderful turns of phrases"

Ms. Balogh...ROFL Ha.ha.ha
Your taste is unique.

OpenDog

@Kev You maybe right. Nothing will happen to the freedom of speech in Hungary ... then why on earth are the FIDESZ folks making a fool of themselves with such a stupid threatening law ?? Aren't there more important things they can do?

Paul


Several questions come to mind:

1) Can the Hungarian authorities do anything to prevent/restict access to external internet sources (like this blog)?

2)Assuming the answer to 1) is 'no', what's to stop Hungarian internet newspapers, etc just 'moving' abroad (i.e. using foriegn ISPs or storage/bandwidth(?) providers)?

3) What is the situation re EU or international law if the newspaper/blog refuses to pay the fine and the government then attemmpt to fine the ISP? I can't imagine ISPs just paying up.

OpenDog

@Paul
1. In theory they can build an infrastructure to block internet access (see, Iran or China) but I doubt they will. Expensive, easy to get around and well not best PR ...
2. You can move the hosting abroad but if you live at home you still can be arrested.
3. I don't think anybody would care about personal blogs. Some sites maybe if it's indecent or extremist propaganda.

In reality our porn queen probably will only go after indecency. Like the internet sites that publish pictures from the Miami Press (her bathroom periodical).

Jo Peattie

I looked on the NUJ site in the UK to see if there was any mention of this but there was not. I was not too impressed by this as the coverage on the European Federation of Journalists site was limited too. Is everyone asleep? I think that a campaign or prtition to the European Parliament is the only way to go, care to join me?

Kevin Moore

Eva: the "freedom of press" was sooo threatened from the moment the Orbán government took office in 1998, right until they lost power in 2002. Now, from the very first minute they took office again, the freedom of press is instantly something you and your kin must be so worried for.

This is a very old and obsolete record spinning over and over again, and there's no molecule in the Universe to where your apocalyptic message hasn't been delivered. I never manage to count how many domestic and international channels your kin has always been able to use to spread misinformation on how 'weak' the non-right media is which, actually, still makes up the vast majority of media in Hungary.

Kevin Moore

John T: the problem is that however right you might be, people don't believe those who have gratuitously cried wolf for two decades.

Sandor

Well, Kevin, those cries of wolf was more than justified, if the events on the ground are any indication. And fidesz have done this once already during their first term. They expropriated and closed down news papers and bent to their own service Magyar Nemzet, the traditionally liberal and respectable paper of a good 60 years standing.
The messing around with the media is particularly galling, because it was working fine and was not at all in need of fixing. And because there just wasn't any cause the fidesz could point at as a reason for the interference, the suspicion cannot be avoided that it is the fidesz's political interest and nothing else.
That being the case, what is it exactly you are defending?

Hank

Interestingly enough, Magyar Nemzet is also more and more turning against at least some of the anti-democratic behaviour of Orbán c.s. Earlier, the paper roundly said that limiting the power of the Constitutional Court was not wise. And if I read today's lead article correctly (I must admit, my Hungarian is far from faultless), they speak out clearly against these latest media proposals (saying they mean the end of freedom of the press), against the all-powerful media council and against the way the public media have been put under party control.

I think this signals a very important development, namely that at least some of the decent conservatives on the right are getting fed up with Orbán c.s. This coincides with the fact that, of the record, even some Fidesz parliamentarians are saying they are worried by developments.
So for the time being, my bet would be not on the opposition (which, as Gyurcsány himself says, needs at least four if not eight years to recover and rebuild) but on a power struggle within Fidesz.

Hank

Or am I mistaken, and is this Nemzet comment written in irony?

John T

"John T: the problem is that however right you might be, people don't believe those who have gratuitously cried wolf for two decades."

Kevin - Well, maybe people did in the past. I wasn't one of them anyway. But shortly, these proposals are due to become law. From your comments, you don't seem that fussed. But hey, you live in Hungary, I don't. So I'd be interested to see what your view of the law will be in 12 months time, once it has had a chance to bed in.

Kevin Moore

Sandor: I have no doubt that you consider a media with an approx. 9 to 1 imbalance towards the left as 'doing good'.
But my opinion differs from yours and I'm moderate at saying that.

And your argument about Orbán's offensive media strategy is weaker than ridiculous, given what the MSZP sponsored Heti Hetes and both terrestrial commercial TV channels were doing for 4 years. Talk about 9:1 again.

Kevin Moore

Hank: you are not mistaken. MN is criticizing the new government's steps, sometimes harshly.
Here fails your ever-persistent view on MN being Fidesz propaganda only.
The problem is that you can't detach yourself from how your own, interest-oriented press (the 'left') works and impose the same behavior on the value-oriented press of the right.

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