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December 23, 2010

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Paul

The fact that the homebrew pálinka 'acievement' gets into the top ten says it all.

My wife's relatives in Ungvár home brew pálinka (at least that is what they claim it is - it tasted like nothing in earth to me). So is that OV's vision of the future - Trans-Carpathian Ukraine?

Mind you, I suppose that's one step up from Belerussia.

Odin's Lost Eye

On January 1 The 'Mighty One' becomes President of Europe. Today Hungary, January 1 Europe, after that the world?
Is he not truly the ‘MIGHTY ONE’?

Something comes to mind: -

I met a traveller from a ruined starving land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the wreckage. Near them on the rank and weed strewn land,
Half sunk, a shattered head lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold contempt
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`I am Orban Viktor, The Mighty One and Boss of all Things:
Look on my works, ye great ones, and despair!'
Nothing now remains amidst the ruin and decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level empty weed infested fields and starving kine stretch far away"

With apologies to Shelly who, I think, wrote the original Ramses II (another Conman)

I think that the 'Wise Leader' made something similer for J.Stalin in Budapest.

Paul

I'm having memory problems here, but I'm fairly sure the Blair government in the UK taxed the banks for excess profits one year.

Anyone else remember this?

OV and Fidesz make these things up as they go along. It works in Hungary, but I think they're in for a nasty surprise when they try it outside their cosy little paprika republic.


Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "I'm having memory problems here, but I'm fairly sure the Blair government in the UK taxed the banks for excess profits one year. Anyone else remember this?"

Not only Blair but Gyurcsany did too. A modest amount in comparison but he did in 2008. Then the owner of OTP threatened to leave the country. Now he has no problems.

Paul

The BBC website coverage of this issue is disappointingly low-key and Fidesz-friendly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12070204

someone

Paul: "Blair government in the UK taxed the banks for excess profits one year."
I think you are referring to the one-time Windfall Tax in 1997, but that was not for banks but for privatized utilities, hydro, gas, telecom.

wolfi

I've never read the German paper "Die Welt", because it is too far to the right for me - only when there was nothing else available on an airplane - and each time i got angry with their extremely reactionary views ...

So this comes as a real surprise, that they don't excuse the "light censorship" that Fidesz is planning ...

It is a good sign that Mrs Merkel stood up - they can't really call her a "liberal leftist" or whatever Fidesz names its critics.

Well, the next months will be "interesting times" as that old chinese proverb says ...

Eva S. Balogh

Wolfi: "So this comes as a real surprise, that they [Die Welt] don't excuse the "light censorship" that Fidesz is planning ... It is a good sign that Mrs Merkel stood up - they can't really call her a "liberal leftist" or whatever Fidesz names its critics. Well, the next months will be "interesting times" as that old chinese proverb says ...

They have an explanation for all of this. The Hungarian socialists and liberals organized a campaign against the government. They mislead the foreign press and the politicians. Neither the politicians nor the journalists even read the law. Punkt!

Joe Simon

It seems that the freedom of the press is nowhere absolute. In the US in recent years a number of journalists were fined and even jailed for refusing to reveal their sources. A USA Today reporter was fined $5,OOO PER DAY as long as she refused to hand over her notes in a federal court proceedings. In 2OO7 blogger J. Wolf served 226 days in jail for refusing to hand over videotapes he took of a demonstration in California in 2OO5. Freedom House's annual survey of press freedom ranks the US as 24th among the nations of the world.

someone

Eva S. Balogh: "Not only Blair but Gyurcsany did too. A modest amount in comparison but he did in 2008."

Are you referring to the 2005-2006 option given to the banks? They were able to choose between an extra 8% corporation tax or 6% interest premium. I believe this this or some form of it is still in place, but I can be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).

Joe Simon

Ma van ÉVA napja, azaz ÁDÁM és ÉVA napja, according to the Hungarian calendar. Is this Blog declaring a holiday? It would not be completely amiss, in fact rather appropriate.

John G

I would like to add my voice to that of Joe and wish our hostess "Isten éltessen sokáig, füled érjen bokádig !" I hope my age permits such a familiarity.

At the same time I would like to wish PEACE on this occasion for all, but particularyl for all those who read and contribute to this blog. May the holiday season give us all a time to reflect and start afresh in the New Year

Karl Pfeifer

In today's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung an article about this law and a stern warning of the Czech foreign minister Karel Schwarzenberg
„So wie dieses Gesetz konzipiert ist, ist es wirklich gefährlich.“
Die EU müsse „bei der nächsten Möglichkeit“ feststellen, „dass dieses Gesetz den Prinzipien der Europäischen Union widerspricht“.
The way this law is formulated it is really dangerous. EU should establish "that this law is contradicting the principles of the European Union"

I guess Fidesz Media will try to sell to those Hungarians not reading foreign languages, that prince Karel Schwarzenberg is belonging to the Left and participating in a conspiracy against Hungary.

I hope that this kind of propaganda will backfire.

someone

I also would like to add to the holiday sentiment by wishing you all a Peaceful Holiday Season and a Happy, Healthy New Year.
On that note, I also would like to thank Eva for this blog that I only stumbled upon very recently. It is great to find some like minded people, and read their reasoning. It is very unfortunate but also very reflective of the current (and not so current) make-up of Hungarian society that you cannot read any thread of comments on any Hungarian news sites that stays on topic and where some participants without fail, do not get into some totally nasty exchange. Thank you all.

Odin's Lost Eye

The real problem is that Hungary (like a lot of other countries) is living well beyond their means. Hungary is in debt up to its ears. Its sovereign debt is rated a little above ‘Junk’. Its politians are, in the main, only there for ‘power, prestige and personal profit’. These ‘tow-rags’ deride and (if they can) put in gaol those who are there to ‘just do something’ for their Country. The tow-rags also blame the good, falsely, for all the evils which beset their wretched people. These are the evils which they (those who are only there for self seeking purposes) have caused.

The rest of Europe has a big problem. The ‘Mighty One’ (Orban Viktor) -I use this title as a term of derision- his little ‘chums’ and the rest of Fidesz were elected in an open democratic election by the Hungarian voters. They were given ‘super majority’.

The Hungarians once again in their history have fallen under the spell of a megalomaniac, demagogue and ‘Confidence Trickster’. They have given him unlimited power. The Hungarians have done this by choice and in doing so they have chosen to throw away their freedom for spurious dreams of power, wealth vague promises and glory. Oh! it seems to be so easy to hoodwink these people with vague promises, political artifice and all the tricks of ‘smoke and mirrors’.

The problem for the rest of Europe is that the Hungarians did this by their own free democratic choice. A choice made by of the majority of the people. Trolls take note of the last ten words of my last sentence!
What should Europe do? As a democratic institution (a free collection of democracies) they MUST respect the rights of a people to choose their own Government democratically. They must also act within their own laws. The Europeans can only act lawfully within their laws.

So Europe will have to leave the peoples of this benighted land to stew in their own juice. It is, after, all the Hungarian people’s choice to once again place themselves in ‘Bondage’ to a tyrant. They will live in poverty and ignorance, isolated by their language.

There is a rumour going round that the only foreign language that will be taught in non-Fidesz schools (schools reserved for the children of the upper elechons of Fidesz) is to be ‘Silence’. In 9 or 10 years time, when things get too much for them, the Hungarian people will rebel. Europe should sit on its hands and refuse the cries for help. They should say “You elected that mob of tow-rags, it was your own choice. Now you sort it out your selves”!

But if I know the Westerners’ mind set and conscience, they will not stand back. If geography (and international treaties) allow they will help and sacrifice the lives of their young people and their treasure to drive out this evil and give the Hungarians yet another chance for democracy and freedom.
A very merry and peaceful christmas to you all.

GDF

Jo Simon:"It seems that the freedom of the press is nowhere absolute. In the US in recent years a number of journalists were fined and even jailed for refusing to reveal their sources. A USA Today reporter was fined $5,OOO PER DAY as long as she refused to hand over her notes in a federal court proceedings. In 2OO7 blogger J. Wolf served 226 days in jail for refusing to hand over videotapes he took of a demonstration in California in 2OO5. Freedom House's annual survey of press freedom ranks the US as 24th among the nations of the world."

I don't want to argue these points (not that I agree or disagree with any or all). But what do they have to do with what's going on in Hungary?

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