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January 29, 2011

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Paul

If the Hungarian half of my family is at all representative, then core Fidesz voters think that the Media law is a good thing because:

It deals with the "overwhelming pro-MSzP bias in the media" and "stops the media telling lies about Fidesz".

And it stops things being shown on TV that children shouldn't see.


And that's about it. They also claim that more Hungarian originated songs/programmes on radio and TV will be a good idea, but I always get the feeling that their hearts aren't really in that. My dad-in-law is a fan of (what was) Sláger Rádío and I'm not sure if he'd be too impressed if his constant fix of old American and UK pop was to be replaced 30% of the time with Hungarian music!

As for negative reactions from outside (e.g. me!), these are always dismissed because "outsiders know nothing of what really goes on in Hungary", and, anyway, "they are probably all MSzP sypathisers" - or capiltalists! - or part of that "international conspiracy" we dare not name...

 Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "If the Hungarian half of my family is at all representative, then core Fidesz voters think that the Media law is a good thing because: It deals with the "overwhelming pro-MSzP bias in the media" and "stops the media telling lies about Fidesz"."

That's funny because in fact the left-liberal side is practically nonexistent. KlubRadio, ATV, Nepszabadsag, Nepszava. That's about it.

Paul

Éva - Fidesz supporters are not keen on mere facts getting in the way of their prejudices.

We have the same thing in the UK, where the press is overwhelmingly right-wing, so much so that the poor old middle of the road Guardian is seen as dangerously left-wing, and yet the Tories always attack the media for its"left-wing bias"!

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes accepted as the truth.

Thomas

"On the basis of this poll I think it would be a good idea for Fidesz to rethink their attempt to muzzle the media. It is attacked abroad and not supported at home."
I do not think FIDESZ cares about either of the opinion of people outside of Hungary or of the people inside of Hungary.
They have, are and will continue to do what they KNOW is best for THEM. The country does not matter.

someone

Paul: "They also claim that more Hungarian originated songs/programmes on radio and TV will be a good idea, but I always get the feeling that their hearts aren't really in that. "
So, how many Hungarian films did they watch lately? Subsidies for Hungarian productions are totally scaled back, as well as the "Hungarian Hollywood" is dying a slow death with this political push and pull.
Last month the country’s film finance body, the Hungarian Public Picture Foundation, dealt a hefty blow to filmmaking in the country by diverting funds away from independent outfits and instead channelling them through two official ministries: the Ministry of National Development and the newly created Ministry of National Economy, which received over $13 million between them.
At the same time, as much Fidesz and its fan club is against "the outsed Hungarians", they have appointed Andy Vajna as Government Commissioner for Hungarian Film Industry.
This is from the Hollywood Reporter: "Hungary's film industry entered a period of uncertainty last December when the government said it was cutting the budget of the Motion Picture Public Foundation, which had administered film funding for the last few years, from 6 billion forint ($29 million) in 2010 to just 1 billion forint ($4.8 million) in 2011. Although another 2 billion forint ($9.6 million) is to be administered through the ministry of the economy this year.
And in a situation of austerity measures, the new commissioner's experience could prove vital for the industry. Vajna, who left the country after the 1956 revolution at age 12, made a name for himself as the producer of the Terminator and Rambo franchises. He is also the founder of Intercom, one of Hungary's first international distribution companies, and the producer of the high-profile Hungarian movie Children of Glory."

Vajna has invested (financially and otherwise) a lot in the Hungarian film industry, and as a huge movie fan, I can only hope that he will channel some money to independent filmmakers, and help the lift profile of Hungary not only as a cheap location to shoot, but a place where art is created (and I mean this in a positive way.)

The new speech of Gbor Vona
Rigó Jancsi

If the polls show that a majority doesn't like the media law, then why have there been only 10.000 two weeks ago, and last thursday even less, about 8.000 people at the demonstration on Kossuth tér?
They may not like the law, but it's not a terrible enough law to get them onto the street. I guess most people have other problems, trying to survive with a Swiss-Franc-loan and a small salary, and don't care about media law and politics in general.
Btw, next demonstration will be on March 15th. That's a very symbolic date, and it might get more people involved.

I've cut some pictures of Thursday's demonstration around Kafkaz' song "Feri segiteni kell" which they performed during the demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzyQOATQfTY

Joseph Simon

Just recently former head of state Sólyom László has commented favourably on the state of democracy in Hungary. He is of the opinion that the reaction to the meadia laws is somewhat overblown. Hungary is in a dire economic situation, he added, that may require radical solutions, even if some measures might seem unconstitutional.

someone

Joseph S: " [former head of state Sólyom László] added, that may require radical solutions, even if some measures might seem unconstitutional." Well, that last sentence shows it all. Heck with the constitution, heck with the law, heck with everything that stand in the way to achieve what Fidesz wants on the way the Fidesz wants it. This statement tells more about the moral of the people who say it and agree with it, then the dire economical situation in Hungary.

Regarding The new speech of Gabor Vona.. I stopped listening or reading anything that comes out of his mouth long time ago to be honest. The only concern I have is the strengthening of the extreme right,and that people who have been disappointed for so very long will make them stronger. Hungary as an European Nation will not survive under the Jobbik.

Kirsten

@someone: "Joseph: Hungary is in a dire economic situation, he added, that may require radical solutions, even if some measures might seem unconstitutional."
In my (admittedly limited) understanding, he said just the opposite of that. From index:
Az előadás legfontosabb kijelentése az volt, amikor a volt államfő arról beszélt, hogy a mostani kormány a súlyos gazdasági nehézségeket olyan intézkedésekkel próbálja orvosolni, amelyek alkotmányba ütközhetnek. Mint mondta, az Alkotmánybíróság kizárása e döntések felülvizsgálatából és az alkotmány hasonló célú módosítása idegen az alkotmányos kultúránk szellemétől és örökségétől.

 Eva S. Balogh

Kirsten: "In my (admittedly limited) understanding, he [Sólyom] said just the opposite of that."

Exactly! Facts, oh facts! Don't matter.

someone

Kirsten: "In my (admittedly limited) understanding, he said just the opposite of that."
In that case, I revise my feedback to: The altered statement Joseph Simon passed on to us as true, tells more about the moral of the person translated it, then the dire economical situation in Hungary.

Mutt Damon

I think Simon Jozsi quoted the MTI. Bummer. Joe, watch out what you're reading.

Joseph Simon

Oh well, just remember what FDR did during the Depression, replacing the entire Supreme Court with his own yes-men. Tough times require radical solutions.

Joseph Simon

Also, just for your own enlightenment, please read what Chris Hedges has to say about the American media, controlled by the corporate elite, etc.

Mutt Damon

@Joe And your point is?

Paul

I'm really enjoying 'Joseph Simon' at the moment! Whoever is 'handling' Troll #2, they are gradually spiralling into madness.

First 'he' posts (for the third time!) an incomplete quote, which he uses to 'prove' almost the opposite of what the full quote said - despite the fact that this has already been pointed out to 'him'!

Then 'he' dives for cover back into his USA fixation, which has nothing (NOTHING) to do with the concerns of this blog (which fact has also been pointed out to 'him', several times!).

If you were trying to parody a Fidesz troll, you wouldn't do it this badly, because no one would believe you.

But, carry on 'Joe', it's good to have something this daft to look forward to after a hard day.

someone

Joseph Simon: "Tough times require radical solutions." Thank you for confirming that lying and deceiving the Hungarian public by falsifying official translated text is the solution the Fidesz empowers, and you wholeheartedly support. THanks for letting us know that anything you will say in the future or did say in the past could be a lie in order to deceive those who read this blog in order to get your point across any way you can. Readers should take note.

Mutt Damon

Actually it could make sense to bring up similarities in history of the US but comparing FDR to OV is something like comparing Leonardo DaVinci to Hitler. Both were painters. The FDR years during the new deal are pretty much the opposite what OV does to Hungary.

Regarding Chris Hedges Joe would shoot himself in the foot again if somebody would be bored enough to engage him. Here is a Huff. Post article about his latest opus probably that is what Joe picked up): http://huff.to/dY8teh

 Eva S. Balogh

Someone: "Readers should take note."

By the way, FDR didn't replace the whole Supreme Court. For a while he contemplated adding a few judges in order to change the balance between conservative and liberal judges but nothing came of it. A president cannot just fire judges and replace them with others.

Mutt Damon

He served 12 years. He actually appointed almost all of them during his term (with the senate's approval of course).

 Eva S. Balogh

Mutt Damon: "He served 12 years. He actually appointed almost all of them during his term (with the senate's approval of course)."

Of course, but this was the normal procedure.

Mutt Damon

Right. Typical Simon Jozsi style "Radio Yerevan" news.

GDF

someone:"Joseph Simon: "Tough times require radical solutions." Thank you for confirming that lying and deceiving the Hungarian public by falsifying official translated text is the solution the Fidesz empowers, and you wholeheartedly support. THanks for letting us know that anything you will say in the future or did say in the past could be a lie in order to deceive those who read this blog in order to get your point across any way you can. Readers should take note."

As if he had any doubts...

GDF

Sorry, what I meant to say: As if we had any doubts...

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