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April 24, 2011

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Jo Peattie

As a mother of a fluent Hungarian speaker (I am not) my daughter attends a local primary school. I am from the UK and just do not understand the system here. Why is it considered good to give kids fekete (black) marks in an arbitrary way? Why is it okay? My daughter fixated on the black marks and ignored the red marks (for good work). She even got black marks for not having her pencils sharp enough. Later in school I am led to believe that it is okay for kids to ridicule those who "get the wrong answer", I would argue that this results in kids who are frightened to step out of line- frightened to use their own creativity. It results in adults who are frightened to think for themselves. As much as I disagree with Rupert Murdoch (News International, Sky, Fox) I do concur with his sentiments- I will not fire you for making a mistake- I will fire you for failing to make a decision. As far as I can see it Hungarians are a nation of procrastinators and this will only continue. My daughter is leaving the Hungarian Education System in the next few weeks and going to an independant school. Before I am lambasted I admit that the UK system is far from perfect. Come on Hungarians- admit that your system could benefit from a new direction- please.

HuKauz

Hungarian education is a good foundation, for college look for somewhere else.

One of the best scholars of history is Geza Vermes. He finished his high school and Catholic seminary in Hungary, but enrolled for higher education in the Catholic University of Leuven.

The rest is history. A legend was born.

Mutt Damon

Jo: "Come on Hungarians- admit that your system could benefit from a new direction- please."

I admit it. But I'm just an expat who's opinion doesn't count for some, because I'm constantly slendering my home country :-). Johnny? Are you there?

My kids went to elementary schools in 2 countries. In France and in the US. The most striking difference between the schools in Planet Hungary and these countries - especially the US - how much they focus on the self confidence. God, I hated those red/black marks. Thinking about my school years, I think many of my teachers, elementary and high school, would be disbarred for life from teaching if they were teachers in the US. I remember my elementary school "osztalyfonok" (class teacher?) who was an alcoholic. He taught Hungarian literature and regularly humiliated the children reading out loud their assays in class. Ok, it was in the ancient regime in the 70s in one of the poorest districts in BP (15th), but I wonder what are the guarantees now that this doesn't happen. Once he and the phys ed teacher beat up each other in front of us (drunk of course) allegedly over the young physics teacher. With this education now you guys can understand why am I so "bunko" ... Oh, sweet memories ...

John T

My dad went to school during the late 20's / 30's and when I was growing up, I was really impressed by his knowledge of foreign capitals. He seemed to know every one of them. But of course, as I grew older, it became very apparent that apart from the capitals, he had little additional knowledge of the countries cultures or history. And additionally, he's never shown any interest in finding out more. This seems to mirror the present day situation for many Hungarians - they have a superficial knowledge of a subject, but are not bothered to dig deeper. And all to often, I've had discussions with people who'll simply disregard proven facts where they don't align with their opinion. This isn't unique to Hungarians of course. But compared to my experiences in the UK, Hungarians are rarely willing to change their minds, even when their arguments are clearly wrong.

someone

I think, as one of the comments already pointed out, what was missing from Hungarian education is to teach analytical thinking. I am not sure about today's standards although, so I cannot speek for it. Interestingly I had a teacher in high school who was an exceptional Hungarian literature teacher (it also contained world literature). I did not like her, because all the other classes you could get by by memorizing things, with her you had to do some work. Now, looking back, she was the "good guy".
I am not sure what the solution is as people who I meet here and are from Hungary with hungarian education are very good professionals. There are few in computer science/programming or creative talents.
If you want to get good teachers, you need to pay for them. The overhaul of the Hungarian education can only start with raising the bar at the entry to university, and raising the pay when they work as professionals. Let's face it, anyone who is smart enough to have a chance to enter several universities, why would she/he choose teaching when that is a low paying job and only good for Hungary. With many other carriers you would have the borders open for you, and some decent wage. With a few exceptions I think teaching in Hungary is "well least i can do that, and I will have a diploma" carrier.

Jano

Someone: The reason is that you only meet the talented guys. If you are talented and you want to do something you have to figure out things for yourself. That's an excellent training. Also if your wallet allows it you can hire excellent private tutors from almost every subject. Sadly, not everyone is able to do that. That is why there is a huge gap between talented and diligent people and the that talanted (which of course doesn't necessarily make them worst people).

 Eva S. Balogh

Jano: "That is why there is a huge gap between talented and diligent people and the that talanted (which of course doesn't necessarily make them worst people)."

I would say it otherwise. There are people of means and education who can put their children into the so-called elite schools. And there is the rest. A very small well educated minority and the huge masses of the undereducated.

Jano

I wanted to write the gap between talented and affluent and less talented/less affluent, but I screwed up.

Paraphrasing my step dad, the quality of an educational system can't be measured by what it does to the top 20%. The real question is what it does with the remaining 80%.

Paul

I know this is silly, so apologies in advance, but whenever I read about Rózsa Hoffmann, I can't help seeing the woman who took over Hogworts in the Harry Potter books/films.

I can't remember which book/film it was in, but any Potter fans on here will know whom I mean and exactly why it rings such a bell!

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