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« An informer and his career: Péter Heltai | Main | Fidesz is paying Thomas O. Melia back for his help in 1989-1990 »

July 27, 2011

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GW

"A certain number of Fidesz MP's were assigned to form a separate Christian Democratic caucus in order to have twice as many Fidesz members serving on the various parliamentary committees."

Do the leaders of the Christian Democratic "caucus" receive extra pay above their ordinary MP salaries and per diem? Do they recieve extra office space, staff, franking etc.?

 Eva S. Balogh

GW: "Do the leaders of the Christian Democratic "caucus" receive extra pay above their ordinary MP salaries and per diem? Do they recieve extra office space, staff, franking etc.?"

As far as I know MP's receive extra pay for serving on committees. I also assume that the caucus has extra office space and staff.

Pete H.

Here is link to the full report of Melia: http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/112/mel072611.pdf

Miklos Haraszti

Here is another warning from Mr. Melia's report, addressed to Ukraine, that already could be meant for Hungary as well.

"As you know, former government officials, including former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, are facing prosecution. During my visit, I emphasized our concern about politically-motivated prosecutions of opposition figures and the potential impact on political competition. When the senior leadership of the preceding government – now in opposition – is the focus of prosecutions, out of proportion with other political figures, this creates the appearance of a political motive."

http://www.internationalrelations.house.gov/112/mel072611.pdf

Odin's lost eye

The title of this piece “Another American warning but the Hungarian government doesn't listen” does not surprise me. I the 9 to 10 years I have known Hungarians I have seldom found a Hungarian who listened to anything any non-Hungarian has said. As the Hungarians say “Extra Hungariam non est vita. Si est vita non est ita!” -There is no life outside Hungary. If there is life then it is not real life-.

I have met many Hungarian speaking Romanians and Slovakia who listened with great attention to foreigners and when they learned something new would often clap their hands together with delight, especially if it saved them effort or work. I think it is something cultural not genetic.

This Hungarian xenophobia is in the main due to their language. These people who speak a unique form of ‘Finno – Ugarit’ live surrounded by a sea of ‘Indo European’ speakers. Therefore the interchange of ideas with their neighbours becomes impossible. But I suppose when ignorance is ‘bliss’ it is folly to be wise!

If you do not heed advice from those who are your real friends, troubles may well come your way.

Johnny Boy

Should the government listen and refuse to utilize the majority it was given deliberately by the voters?
In my opinion: no!

Joe Simon

Yes, Orbán and FIDESZ should be a bit more humble and responsive to criticism. But did Melia utter one solitary word when Hedvig Melina was mistreated in Slovakia? While most western embassies raised their voices against any anti-gay sentiments and actions in Slovakia, not one western embassy protested against such flagrant abuses of human rights. 'No comment' when they were asked why they remained silent.

Joe Simon

Hungarian xenophobia? These comments by Melia are way off. Melia is entering into the dangerous mine-field of ethno-criticism that is simply not useful in trying to understand Hungary or indeed any country. This approach is very superficial and I am not surprised that Spectrum goes in tandem with this type of criticism.

Some1

Johnny Boy: "Should the government listen and refuse to utilize the majority it was given deliberately by the voters?
In my opinion: no!"
Well, I am sure this is the kind of thinking that let WWII start. e National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was elected democratically. Many people (not all of course) wish we could go back and do something, or simply that some people, aome nations would of speak up when the warning signs were present. There is no shortage in ignorance when it comes to personal benefits. I have said this, and here it goes "Being elected democratically is only the first step on a hundred step ladder, and Orban has become stuck on that first step." By the way there were many people in history who were elected democratically and look what happened when they used that privilege

Joe Simon: In every country small groups of crazies exist, and yes they do mistreat others for various reasons or it is not a national trend, not the beginning of something larger. AT he same time only in second and third world countries the government builds his programs around polarizing its nation, and making enemies out of their neighbours in order to raise its popularity amongst the less informed. Sir, you need to read more.

I find it funny that the two comments that actually supports the Fidesz in this thread, dismisses (and dismissed) the dirty mouth of Hungarian politicians (no worry there what the World going to think about Hungary), and totally dismissed in the previous thread how someone who served as an informer for the previous Romanian Communist Party could get in such important and high position in current Hungary. This says it all.

Contre nous de la tyrannie

I think that it is very important to understand that the American message is not coming from Democrats only.
Rep. Dan Burton the Chairman of the Subcommittee is a Republican congressman. He was worried about the new religion law and he asked Melia to write a letter to the Hungarian government. Some days ago, David Kramer, President of Freedom House mentioned Hungary (lack of Internet Freedom - the Nepszava comment case) in front of the Helsinki Commission. Mr Kramer was an undersecretary at the State Department during the Bush Administration.
No matter how many Reagan statues are in Budapest, the Republicans do not like dictatorships either. They are especially sensitive when it comes to freedom of press and religion.

Lutra lutra

Of course Orbán won't listen - at least not until the Hungarian economy is in real crisis and party members and voters turn on him.
One of his role models appears to be Berlusconi, but then Hungary seems to have a history of warming to dodgy Italian short-arses.
As long as (on paper) the Italian economy was doing well, most of the public seemed to relish his upsetting opponents at home and critics abroad. Finally, with Italy on the brink of joining the EU bailout queue, his days in power are numbered.

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