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January 25, 2012

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Kirsten

Why did Klubradio not buy Autoradio? I am not sure whether they have not missed a chance. It would still have been a continuation of Klubradio, a weakening of OV or his friends (who did not consider Klubradio negotiable until yesterday).

GW

Kirsten, 200M HUF (around 675000 EUR) is a ridiculous price for a frequency in Hungary. This goes to show that the Klubrádió tender for the frequency was closer to the actual value than the overbid by Autórádió. Either Autórádió, a "firm" with no experience in broadcasting, seriously mistook the value of its tender or this was a deliberate plan to extort from Klubrádió from the very beginning.

Ron

GW/Kirsten: I believe this was an opportunistic deal from Autórádió (AR). I would not be surprised that they put a tender in and did not believe that they would win the tender. I believe that they were asked to do this.

However, it seems that VO interfered and as a result they won. Now they want to get rid of it.

Unfortunately, AR accepted the conditions set by the Media authority, and if Klubradio would take over they would be required to honor this deal, because if not they would lose the frequency anyhow or they would be penalized.

Kirsten

They were offered to run a music channel...? That they (Fidesz) never run out of ideas how to be specifically clever, is amazing. But it is equally amazing that it apparently never occurs to them that others may find it just annoying, not not at all a proof of their genius.

Petofi

Autoradio sale....
This is a typical Hungarian business innovation. I've heard that some used car sales lots of expensive foreign cars used to have the sold cars stolen from their new owners; then, some third party would approach the hapless owner to see if he wanted to repurchase his car for half the original price.

Aren't Hungarians clever?

This is the mindset that the EU and the IMF are dealing with.

Minusio

This is about the IMF (Eva, you really are like speedy Gonzales!), not Klubradio which we all know was deprived of its frequency by a straw-firm on FIDESZ orders and the Media Authority. (They must feel extremely important now!)

What's new? Nothing. The IMF is right. Eva is right - except where she thinks, or desperately hopes, Orbán might cave in. He won't. This is just not given to him.

What looks like committments to the EU and its requirements, are all caveats, basically not worth his breath.

Petofi

Autoradio sale..

Maybe the Media Commission should be asked to explain how they happened to choose a firm whose only interest was to profit by their
newly-won frequency?

Ron

I went through the IMF staff report and on page 31

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2012/cr1213.pdf

I noticed that the VAT as percentage of the GDP is between 7.7 and 8.9, which considering the fact that Hungary together with Denmark has the highest VAT rate (25%) and no real reduced rate, I expect this to be higher.

I went to the Eurostat Data Explorer
http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/setupModifyTableLayout.do

I noticed that Hungary on average is about 25% lower than Denmark (which have the same VAT rate), in fact most of the EU countries are at the same level as Hungary, despite the fact that their standard VAT rate is 10 to 20% lower than Hungary's rate and most of the them have reduced rates.

Here the list of VAT rates EU.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

I first was thinking about fraud, but that is not possible as the difference is too large.

Anybody. Do you have an explanation for this?

Paul

Thanks for the 'translation' of the IMF document, Éva. I found it utterly baffling! They seem to have invented a sub-set of English that's complete opaque to 'outsiders'.

But could you explain what the graphic in your piece means please?

Aurélie Pierre

Love this picture:
http://www.haszon.hu/noknek/images/stories/borito/2012_1szam_.jpg
I guess it must hurt for a die-hard macho as Orban to know that his fate is in the hands of 2 women (and that he's just a political light-weight in the end; a dictatorial midget, but definitely a midget).

Paul

kirsten - the critical point re Klubrádió is that the frequency was redefined as a music channel (which apparently Hungary doesn't have enough of!).

So, even if Klubrádió had retained the frequency, they would have been severely restricted in how much news/opinions of value ('left/liberal propaganda in Orbánspeak) they could have broadcast.

Paul

"Apparently, Orbán hates Klubrádió so much that he didn't care."

This is one of the keys to understanding Orbán. He is motivated by a number of things - desire for power, intolerance of criticism/opposition, nationalistic/religious views, etc - but personal hatred based on perceived slights is probably one of his strongest drivers.

The obvious example is Gyurcsány - Orbán's hates him far beyond any political reasons - but Dávid also fell foul of Orbán's 'cross me and I'll finish you' attitude.

This single-minded determination to destroy people can be a strength, and certainly helped Orbán to obtain total power (how well would he have destroyed MDF and MSzP without that strong personal motivation?). But it can also be a weakness, as it diverts attention and energy from more important areas and can even blind the revenge seeker to such an extent that it causes them to take decisions entirely contrary to their interests.

Klubrádió is a very good example of this. Although Orbán has given himself the power to control the media, he has (wisely?), so far, chosen not to use it. The left/liberal publications continue to criticise him without sanction, the feared heavy fines haven't materialised, and no steps have been taken against opposition oriented internet sites and blogs.

As he controls domestic TV and nearly all domestic radio anyway, and he knows that the majority of the public don't read the left/liberal press, he has no need to risk the negative reactions of the EU, US, etc by actually using the act. He has very little to gain, but much to lose.

So why does he risk all this, just to silence one little radio station?

Could this be his Achilles heel? Perhaps the opposition’s tactic shouldn’t be to play down the ‘hated’ Gyurcsány, but to actively promote an opposition coalition jointly led by him and Dávid? Not as crazy as it sounds – it would distract Orbán to the point of madness. What hope would there be for the saner heads in Fidesz to steer the party to victory in 2014, when their leader is totally obsessed with destroying his nemeses – at all, and any, costs?

Paul

Excellent picture, Aurélie Pierre. Orbán must absolutely hate this cover.

Mme Lagarde is also taller than him!

Eva S. Balogh

Aurélie, this picture is priceless. And to Paul, Lagarde not only taller than Orbán (that is not very difficult!) but very, very tall.

Paul

Actually it's nearly total height humiliation for the Viktator - he is listed on the net as 174cm (5' 8.5" in English) and Merkel is (apparently) 173cm .

If she wears heels, even with his built-up shoes, she's going to be taller than him!

Joseph Simon

ALLOW ME TO REPRODUCE THIS LETTER HERE FOR YOU ALL.
Lipták Béla nyílt levele Konrád Györgyhöz

Lipták Béla mérnök-professzor, az 1956-os forradalom egykori résztvevője, az Amerikai Magyar Lobbi vezetője nyílt levelet intézett Konrád Györgyhöz, aki a szerdai The New York Timesban közölt publicisztikát a magyarországi helyzetről. Az alábbiakban teljes terjedelmében közöljük a levél fordítását.
(Lipták Béla, az '56-os műegyetemi 16 pont egyik megfogalmazója )

Kedves Gyurka,
Sok víz lefolyt a Dunán, mióta együtt álmodoztunk arról a szép jövőről amikor majd népünk kezébe veheti saját sorsának irányítását, amikor majd magunk formálhatjuk gyermekeink jövőjét. Rohannak az évek, omlanak az álmok, de azért jó is történik, mert legalább a tudomány területein kezdünk eredményesek lenni, szót értünk az otthoni fiatalokkal és segítjük egymást.
Viszont most mégis a Times OpEd-ededdel kapcsolatban szeretnék feltenni pár olyan kérdést, melyek félek, hogy neked rosszul esnek, de remélem, hogy nem sértelek meg velük, hanem inkább elgondolkoztatlak azokkal; ugyan lehet, hogy naiv vagyok, és nem mondok újat, de azért megpróbálom. Kezdem azzal, hogy joggal vagy dühös, tudom, hogy Orbán Viktor sok hibát is elkövetett és azt is tudom, hogy még mindig van otthon bőven antiszemita, és ezt nehéz lehet elviselni. Mégis:
- Nem kellett volna írásodban megemlítened, hogy te is szeretnéd, ha hazádat kisegítené az IMF/EU a gazdasági kátyúból? Nem illett volna egy magyar írónak ezt a legnagyobb gondunkat legalábbis megemlíteni?
- Nem gondolod, hogy amikor azt adod címül egy írásodnak, hogy „Magyarország szemét demokráciája", akkor azzal nemcsak a kormányt kritizálod, hanem az összmagyarság jó hírét rombolod?- Nem gondolod, hogy a fasisztázással meg Kádárhoz hasonlítással elvetetted a sulykot? Nézz a tükörbe!
- Nem gondolod, hogy ha te tényleg demokráciát szeretnél, akkor több tisztelettel kellene írnod népünknek egy szabad választáson kimondott döntéséről?
- Nem gondolod, hogy más népek ellenzéke nem a világ közvéleményének nyomásával próbálja elérni belpolitikai céljait?
- Nem gondolod, hogy egy kormány megbuktatása nem rád tartozik, hanem az ország szavazó polgáraira és az őket képviselő Parlamentre?
- Nem gondolod, hogy a demokrácia eszköze nem az utca, hanem a szavazófülke?
- Nem gondolod, hogy a baloldali tüntetésekre jobboldali tüntetés lesz a válasz, és ezzel a káosz magját ültetitek el?
- Nem gondolod, hogy az ilyen írásokkal csak olajat öntesz az antiszemitizmus tüzére, és ezzel csak a Jobbikot támogatod?
- Mit gondolsz, ha egy előre hozott választással sikerülne megbuktatnotok a kormányt, kiket segítenétek a hatalomba?
- Mit gondolsz, kiegyensúlyozott lelkű magyar írónak tart az olvasó, amikor hazád demokráciáját szemétnek nevezed, de egy szót sem ejtesz legnagyobb gondunkról; elszakított nemzetrészeink sorsáról, a beneši deportálásokról vagy a mai megaláztatásukról?
- Mit gondolsz, mit érzünk mi, 56-osok, akik egy fél évszázadot dolgoztunk azért, hogy Nyugaton megbecsülést és tiszteletet szerezzünk a magyar névnek, amikor ezt a pocskondiázást olvassuk?
Ne haragudj szókimondó kérdéseimért, inkább beszélgess el azokról mondjuk Csoóri Sanyival vagy Duray Miklóssal, mert ideje, hogy kilépj egy percre abból az elszigetelt kis körből, mely egymást hergelve mocskolja a magyar nevet a nagyvilágban, elvégre 56 elveit egyszer Te is osztottad, és annak lényege az összefogás volt!
Lipták Béla

An

@Paul: "personal hatred based on perceived slights is probably one of his strongest drivers.......Could this be his Achilles heel? Perhaps the opposition’s tactic shouldn’t be to play down the ‘hated’ Gyurcsány, but to actively promote an opposition coalition jointly led by him and Dávid? Not as crazy as it sounds – it would distract Orbán to the point of madness."

Excellent point. The only chance against Orban is if he looses his cool; that is when he makes mistakes. And, as you point out, he can easily be driven to do that.

enuff

Eva, your comment on height made me laugh!

Paul, well done for finding this fact!
I search in vain after the reading

174cm not too bad, I've seen lots of short men in HU as I'm almost always taller at 175cm

Eva S. Balogh

Paul: "But could you explain what the graphic in your piece means please?"

I tried to convey with this piece of art that today's media is very very complex and impossible to control it. Orbán can try but he won't succeed.

GDF

Joseph Simon:"ALLOW ME TO REPRODUCE THIS LETTER HERE FOR YOU ALL.
Lipták Béla nyílt levele Konrád Györgyhöz"

Another piece of garbage from Mr. Liptak. He should stick to engineering.

I guess he is upset because his (or his son's) influence wasn't sufficient to stop Konrad's article.

Paul

Thanks Éva, I actually thought you were trying to convey the opposite - how many media outlets were owned or controlled by Fidesz supporters (although I couldn't work out where Youtube fitted in!).

It's actually surprisingly easy for a government to control the internet, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. All they have to do is to tell the ISPs to block sites. It’s as simple as that.

The technically savvy can get round this by using external ISPs or other tricks, but 99.9% of the population have to use ISPs based in their country.

Orbán could issue an order tomorrow that all Hungarian ISPs had to block Typepad (or even just your blog), or lose their license and/or be fined, and that would be it - no one in Hungary could read your blog.

There would of course be an outcry, but since when has Orbán taken any notice of such things? And Fidesz would just explain it away by pointing to the anti-Semitic stuff on the Jobbik oriented Typepad blogs, or claiming that it was done under the prevention of terrorism act, or in 'national security interests', etc.

This is why Google are so careful with the Chinese government – they can’t afford to lose a billion customers.

Paul

JS just doesn't get it.

When all this is over and some other poor sods are trying to rebuild something from the wreckage of Hungary, he still won't understand what happened or why.

Wondercat

@GDF: "Nestbeschmutzer" criticisms -- usual in Austria (Bernhard, Jellinek) -- you're making your own people, your own society, look bad in the eyes of the world. Show some loyalty to your own kind!

Not those who befoul the nest but instead those who point out the filth are criticised as Nestbeschmutzer. An interesting word, then.

Karl Pfeifer

I met Orbán once in Budapest in December 1988, when he greeted me and my friend Zoltán Zsille with flowers at the Keleti railway station
http://www.hetek.hu/kulfold/199903/nyilt_level_orban_viktor_miniszterelnok_urnak
I am 169 cm high and I remember him as being not as tall as I am.Probably he is using shoe inserts.

Mutt Damon

@Joseph Simon Pretty much all the Hungarian extra-right, ant-semite, fascist loony blogs posted this Bela Liptak letter. Why can't you just use a link to one of them?

Beacuse what wouldwe think about YOU if you post a link from these rags?

By the way where is the English original? You know, the one the Times refused to publish because it's garbage.

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